1/2NL AA in SB, did I lose the least possible?

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live cash game, in SB see AA. Table is very loose preflop. Three limpers and back to me, so I raise to $15. BB calls, rest fold.
Reads on BB: relatively tight/aggressive, on the looser side of tight. Haven't seen him bluff.
Reads on me: should be squeaky tight/aggressive, at one point went an entire hour seeing only 2 flops. I had been getting garbage after garbage.
Chip stacks - BB - about $350, me - about $230

Flop:
Js, 5h, 7c
me: bet $25
BB: min raise to $50
me: call
Turn:
Js, 5h, 7c, 10h
me: check
BB: check
River:
Js, 5h, 7c, 10h, Jc
me: bet $50
BB: all-in
me: ??

prob obvious what I did, and you might be able to guess what he had, so could I have lost less?
 
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I hope you folded. I assume the blinds were something like 2.50/5.00 at that point and your raise was 3x.

Looks like his flop bet was that he had hit his J, and sent out a healthy feeler bet. Owing to the tendencies of the cards to pair multiple times in any hand (I read an explanation somewhere), him holding JJ is not out of the question. More likly Jx. On a stretch, J7. Unlikely is 89, Not so sure a tight player would raise into a gutshot. The check on the turn suggest on of two things, he hit the gutshot, and is slowplaying you, or your call tells him you've got jj beat. 3rd j river and your bet looks feeler like again, showing him you probably do not have the other jack, and only an overpair.

I sure hope you folded. Only a few of his possible holdings make sense, and one makes much less sense for a Tag, Jx, probably suited, or 89 also probably suited. Both of those hands whoop you. JT suited hits the flop well, and JJ.
Looks to me like he had you from the flop.
Biggest problem with AA for me is that they are really hard to improve. Any board pair often make a set to anyone in the hand. SUited boards usually flush, and connected boards usually make the str8.

In a very similar hand last night with 4 callers to my 3x pf raise on the button with AA. A connected flop, a big bet, and a raise post flop and I layed down my aces. Funny, it came easy.

As for loosing less;
Big reraise after he bet flop bet might have told you more, maybe even getting him off his hand.
The fact that he called your PF raise suggests the off possibility he had JJ. WIth your AA, you may now be dead, and only praying to turn the set.

My gut tells me you were a victem of circumstance. His min raise flop bet tells me he is still hoping and making a halfhearted attempt to steal. On the other hand he may know exactly that is what it looks like and figures he has a nibble on his line.

Looks like your best opportunity might have been preflop with a 5x (or so) raise. Maybe even shove it all. Whatever you believe it would take to get him to lay it down.

Just this flunkies opinion.....
 
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This was 1/2 NL, so my $15 preflop bet is over 7x BB. It usually took $15-20 bet preflop to prevent getting 5 callers.
 
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The fact that he is a tight player suggest that he does not have a jack as most of hand containing a jack would be folded preflop. Aj is less likley since you have two of the aceses, and calling that big a raise with Kj is just not tight play. funny played 7/7 ? quad jacks?
 
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"This was 1/2 NL, so my $15 preflop bet is over 7x BB. It usually took $15-20 bet preflop to prevent getting 5 callers."

then i guess a jack isnt that unlikely afterall.
 
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His check on the turn is funny though. I think he raised to get a free card and hit his set on the river. Smells like AJ...
 
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id probably play it the same up until the river where it looks like a check-fold unless you have some kind of reason to believe the guy is bluffing
 
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Here's my thinking through the hand. Minraise on the flop got me thinking JJ, maybe KK, AJ, or outside 77. No way this guy would minraise into a gutter. Check on the turn told me he was concerned his AJ was no good, or he was waiting to make a move. J on the river made it slightly less likely he was playing AJ, but I still thought this was most likely. I decide to throw out a $50 bet to see if he'll lay down KK or QQ. He comes back over the top and I disgustedly show my AA and fold. He shows 55. Flopped the set and rivered the boat. I thought 55 was a questionable call preflop, especially so far out of position. Oh well.
 
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well

the Jack was the worst card for him besides a ace of course, it killed any action he would of gotten on the river. Set vs overpair is rough and I actually don't mind his call preflop that much, I forgot how many limpers before you but think you said 4 so that meant $11 in pot before flop and you made it $15 so now there is $26 in pot and he knows if he hits set he wins big pot and if he dosent he can fold and reload.



position dosent matter in this hand because the hand is either going to be made on the flop or folded on it. He is playing for set value only there is no other flop to come he wants unless it contains a 5 in it, Even something like 234 I would fold easy. This is a time where you can either 3 bet preflop and be able to get away cheap OR you can bet big like 2-3x the pot. I actually think his check on turn was pretty wrong, he lost some value there. I also think his all in was silly on end, why push all in you only going to get called by better hand. I might of even folded the Jack if I had it there of course didnt go by how much was in pot and everything.

yea just looked back his check on turn was not good, flush draw and straight draw showed up on turn. not to mention you could have something like JT and might fill up on end. Which would of been funny seeing Jack hit end. And yes I would raise JT suited if that many people limped in, alot of dead money in the middle I wouldn't mind taking down and even if im called I got playable hand.
 
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