1-2$ NO LIMIT LIVE POKER "Did I play this correctly"?

Aaron Soto

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I personally, think I did the right thing in this hand. My only mistake was not going All-In after the flop to shut down the opponent right then and there.

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9 handed

UTG: folds
UTG +1: Calls 2.00$ (Looks like a sophisticated player who has good idea of the game)
UTG +2: Calls 2.00$ (Has about 140.00$ behind and can tell is an experienced player)
UTG +3: Calls 2.00$

ME: I'm in the Hijack position and raise to 13$ to steal the blinds and limps. I have A-J off-suite. Value bet my hand.

Cut-off: folds
Button: folds
Small Blind: folds
Big Blind: folds

UTG+1: thinks and thinks about it, not sure what to do. He know's he has a weak hand (Connector cards or suited cards.....) Eventually he calls 13.00$

UTG +2: thinks for a second then says what the hell, I call. 13.00$

Pot Amount: 42.00$

Flop: K spades, 8 spades, A hearts

UTG +1 Checks
UTG +2 Checks

ME: in the Hijack and having top pair, I bet 40.00$ into a 40.00$ pot to shut down all the bets. I know damn well they don't have AK, Pocket Eights, or King/8. At this point i feel clearly ahead. The only possible other option I can put them on, is a flush draw with the spades.

UTG +1: Sits there and thinks about it then starts asking UTG +2 what he should do (which really irritated me and is why I can't stand these 1-2 players...) Eventually he calls 40.00$ (I figured a flush draw instantly. The only other thing was A/x suited.

UTG +2: folds

TURN CARD: K diamonds

UTG +1: Checks

ME: In the hijack move all in with 37.00$ behind.
UTG +1: Calls

River: 3 of spades

He turns over K-2 suited spades ..........I could not believe it.

So where did i go wrong here? I ruled out all of his possible hands he could have on the flop. K-2 suited spades you cannot see that one coming in. I thought maybe 7/6 suited spades. But even then he would need a flush to win.

My mistake I think was not moving all in off the flop?

I lost my entire stack in this one hand. 110.00$
 
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You didn't do much wrong man, especially with such a short stack. I probably wouldn't have bet so much on the flop though. Maybe a little less because you will easily be able to shove the turn anyway. I think if you bet ~28 to 30 on the flop it would be fine too. You can't be too concerned with a flush draw and you want to encourage weaker hands to call the flop. It's clear the opponents were not very good either way and in the end you were just unlucky man.

One thing I noticed, is that i assume you meant the Ace on the flop was a spade and not the king as otherwise you have two kings of spades!:p
 
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I don't even know where to start with this. Pretty much has to be a troll now, right?
 
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You should read up on the reasons for betting/raising. Hint: you're either betting for value or as a bluff. "Shut down all the bets" isn't a valid reason to bet the flop. That implies that you don't want to be called, even when your read is that your opponents have weaker hands.
 
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Exactly. I did not want to be called.
 
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So there was a king of spades on the flop and he had one as well? I would call the floor manager and demand my money back.
 
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Exactly. I did not want to be called.

You want to be called by weaker hands like flush draws and weak kings. You are putting the money in good while your opponent is not. That is how we make money. Yes, it does suck getting sucked out on. But that's poker. You can't start mashing the pot button (betting pot-size) every hand because you're afraid your opponent is going to draw to 3-5 outs, or a flush draw.

Like the above poster said, I think you need to review on why we bet: for value or as a bluff. Betting to "shut" someone out is not a valid reason.
 
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Although KQs, KJs or even K10s were in his range, I think you should've betted something about half and three quarters of the pot on the flop. That way you would've scared him away in case he missed the flop. Then, with the card that would come decide wether you should keep betting or shut down.

But I guess you really got a bit unlucky, hehe :D
 
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Villian should have folded PF, but he is actually better than 50/50 after the flop.
(assuming flop was K8Ahss)
 
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Like the above poster said, I think you need to review on why we bet: for value or as a bluff. Betting to "shut" someone out is not a valid reason.

Isn't betting for psychological reasons, such as to break a losing streak or build confidence, a valid reason to overbet? Or isn't an overbet a form of value bet (its a sizing issue)?
 
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Think people need to stop feeding the troll. Even if he is serious, he's showing no interest in taking advice from more experienced players and is more worried about ego tripping and calling himself a 'Master Poker Player' for beating 1/2 live over 10 days...

UTG +1 limps 'looks like a sophisticated player'
UTG +2 limps 'looks like an experienced player'

UTG +1 ends up check calling all the way down and shows up with K2s. Real pro there.
Should he have shoved into a $42 pot on the flop? Hmm...
 
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You are such aggressive player. You must not tell your self He dont have that and that and that im the best. You were 50/50 on flop. I think he would even call your after flop all in with middle pair, possible set, possible flush, 2nd pair etc. He could easy have AK.. i can't see how do you think that there is no AK.. He could have limped KK, afraid of flushy board. By the way 13$ raise with 2 UTGs called, and 4 to play left, was not good move in my book, i would probably fold.
 
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man you should be happy to play those tables where players limp-call preflop on utg with K2s
 
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My mistake the flop was:

Ace spades, King hearts, 8 spades

It's so hilarious, that there is actually people on these forums talking trash? LOL. The majority of you idiots on here are complete garbage. You would not last a day in my world. I'm a Poker Player who does this for a living unlike the other 100% of you guys who are complete dirt and probably go and have your little weekend fun. Iplay your an idiot just shut up lol. You have nothing important to say then get off my thread.

And yes, Shoving the flop, at this point. Would of been the correct play. He already obviously has me on an Ace because of the raise before the flop.

I knew it was pointless asking in these forums for an answer to all these unskilled players.
 
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My mistake the flop was:

Ace spades, King hearts, 8 spades

It's so hilarious, that there is actually people on these forums talking trash? LOL. The majority of you idiots on here are complete garbage. You would not last a day in my world. I'm a Poker Player who does this for a living unlike the other 100% of you guys who are complete dirt and probably go and have your little weekend fun. Iplay your an idiot just shut up lol. You have nothing important to say then get off my thread.

And yes, Shoving the flop, at this point. Would of been the correct play. He already obviously has me on an Ace because of the raise before the flop.

I knew it was pointless asking in these forums for an answer to all these unskilled players.

Hehe... I'm trying to think of this old sci-fi movie where the people are on this planet, and they think they are dominating their environment and so much smarter than the other animals and people around them, but it turns out they are just being harvested for food. These threads kind of remind me of this.
 
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My mistake the flop was:

Ace spades, King hearts, 8 spades

It's so hilarious, that there is actually people on these forums talking trash? LOL. The majority of you idiots on here are complete garbage. You would not last a day in my world. I'm a Poker Player who does this for a living unlike the other 100% of you guys who are complete dirt and probably go and have your little weekend fun. Iplay your an idiot just shut up lol. You have nothing important to say then get off my thread.

And yes, Shoving the flop, at this point. Would of been the correct play. He already obviously has me on an Ace because of the raise before the flop.

I knew it was pointless asking in these forums for an answer to all these unskilled players.

I have a lot to say but I'm not gonna feed the troll. Its just not possible that someone could be this delusional.
 
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He's right guys. Shove flop with every value hand. That's how you crush.
 
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If you think we're all idiots and that you're such a great poker player, then leave the forums. Some of us here have logged 200k - 1 million + hands at much more difficult stakes than 1/3 live which is comprised of 95% donks, so we do know what we are talking about. Jeez, talk about modesty.
 
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Aaron Soto

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I have a lot to say but I'm not gonna feed the troll. Its just not possible that someone could be this delusional.

I think you have it backwards.

YOU ARE THE TROLL.

I came on here to ask a question and get suggestions about a hand.

Instead you insulted me by saying I'm a troll? w/e that is I'm sure you thought you sound cool "troll" oh yeah. Your so lame...

Anyway. I shouldn't of fed YOUR COMMENT and I knew i shouldn't of.

Now,

@Sandbags.

How are you considering my bet a bluff? I have Top Pair /w Top Kciker. Did you miss something?
 
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Because you want to shove with the intentions of making all worse hands fold and better hands call hence why he says you are bluffing. You also didnt post a hand seeking advice. You posted a hand you wanted us to ageee with your play on but sorry, no one is going to agree and pat you on the back.
 
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Wow....

I want to shove, because I don't want anyone calling. I already know that they do not have the better hand on the flop.

No pocket eights are in there and the rarity of Ace/8 or King/8 being there is just to rare.

Now, I do not want a flush draw to call. I surely did not want a Pair with a flush draw to call. Hence, Why I am shoving because I highly doubt anyone will call with a flush draw, but in my game dynamic mind of thinking, I am comfortable with taking in the 42.00$ pot by betting out 82.00$ left in my stack. If giving these "donkey" players as you guys like to call them the chance by me betting only 40.00$ into a 42.00$ pot, I gave him "enough odds" in his mind of thinking to make the call.

You do not have to agree with my play here, i said give me suggestion of what would have been the best play AFTER THE FLOP.

I still have not read one yet. Except for the one that agreed with me.
 
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You are such aggressive player. You must not tell your self He dont have that and that and that im the best. You were 50/50 on flop. I think he would even call your after flop all in with middle pair, possible set, possible flush, 2nd pair etc. He could easy have AK.. i can't see how do you think that there is no AK.. He could have limped KK, afraid of flushy board. By the way 13$ raise with 2 UTGs called, and 4 to play left, was not good move in my book, i would probably fold.

lol.

dude, there's no possible way he limped AK or KK or a set into there. You need to really truly understand the psychology of a hand. You need to listen to what the words people say, the gestures they make, and facial expressions. Also timing tells are very effective way to put them on a hand.

Your right about me bumping it up to 13$ with 4 to act. Risky move I know. I took the chance though in order to try and isolate the two UTG's. I flopped really well. And after that kind of flop. I was about 55% to his 45% with K2 suited spades.

He had a nice hand no doubt. The only way you take a person off that hand is by seeing if he has the commitment to put all his chips in the middle.

I'm not a huge fan of coin-toss situations i stay away from them at all cost. But in this situation I think I kind of had too.
 
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The 'master poker player' definitely has a superiority complex. Calling '100%' of the people here who could help him 'dirt' and consistently ignoring all the advice given to him.

There's no point giving advice to a professional poker player who 'studies daily' and still thinks shoving into a 21bb pot is a good idea.
 
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