$1/2 Live - thoughts on hand

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Live 1/2 game. I had about $100. V. had atleast $150. We are 7 handed. I have A2s in cutoff. Folded to me, I raise to $10, V (button) calls. and BB calls.

Flop: 3c 2h 7s (pot $31) BB checks, I c-bet $10, V calls, BB folds.

Turn Js (pot 51) I check. V. bets $30. I call.

Turn Qd. check-check. V shows AJo.


Now my thinking after the turn was V had a J no doubt. But with part of that flop and the nut flush draw, did I make a mistake by calling turn? After thinking about it a bit, for me to call, did the bet need to be $20 instead? Hind sight being 20/20 and all. Also. should c-bet have been $15?

I have also learned that I am not really comfortable playing NL cash. I much prefer the trny structure to whatever goes in a cash game. I think I still see my chips as cash in a ring game instead of just chips. I don't have this problem in a limit ring game, just NL. I'm at a loss for how to get over this. Thanks for the input.
 
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Fold pre-flop. You are just asking for trouble with A2.

Also stop playing with scared money. (in other words - it shouldn't matter if you are playing MTT or FR - don't think of it as money) If you aren't comfortable getting it all in on the first hand you sit down at - then you are playing scared.
 
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Just because u r in the cut off... That doesn't justify raising A2. Just fold pre. Also you should probably have 200 on u at all times. Don't play short stacked
 
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I agree you shouldn't play short, but I'll disagree with everyone saying to automatically fold pre. If you think there is a good chance you can steal it postflop if you miss - meaning you won't be involved with maniacs or calling stations and the pot will only be 2-way or 3-way - then raising with A2 isn't so bad.

Your mistake was here was betting so little on the flop. $10 into a $31 pot isn't going to be very effective unless you're playing with nits. It looks extremely weak, and almost anyone will be calling with overcards, small pair, etc. I don't know what villain's style was, but unless he's a calling station I'd be betting $20-$25 with expectations of taking it down right there.

As played, fold turn.
 
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Definitely not an auto-fold pre. The raise was fine but once you get called from button, you are out of position and should proceed with caution. The flop bet should've been bigger ($15-$20). Normally I like to cbet about 2/3 pot so I would've like $20 cbet instead, as I think this bet will take it down a lot of the time and it's a lot stronger, showing you are now $30 invested in the pot with only $70 behind. Your $10 didn't even make the guy with AJ flinch. Once the turn comes J, and you check, you should be folding to his bet. Although shoving is also an option (had you bet bigger on flop). But I think his bet is too big for you to call, even with the nut flush draw you are getting 2.6:1 odds and, assuming your 2's and A's are live as well, you have 15 outs, gonna make your hand roughly 30% of the time which means you need better than 3:1 odds. Since you are not getting the right odds, fold.

Also, as a side note, you shouldn't be playing these games where you are uncomfortable playing. I don't recommend playing this game anymore, and if you do, make sure you are comfortable enough and buyin for a full stack ($200 - 100 big blinds). Good luck in future cash games !!
 
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Bet more on the flop.
call turn.
shutdown hand.

First of all you want the flush.... And because you got the 2, I love the 2 card :) cuz if the 2 doubles up it's less likely your opponent will put you on that hand which means you will get paid off by the guy with the Jack if the river was a 2 :) ... Better luck next hand.
 
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its an optimistic call there if u hit the river u have to push 50$ and get called to make your call even there, if u had a 50$ more the call with the impliyed odds would be profitable. so for me it's a fold.
 
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The A2 sooted makes this a spec play at best. The rainbow flop and bottom pair is not a reason to gamble.

If you felt some compunction to get in this hand, you might have just limped. AJo would have probably raised and shook you to your senses. That of course depends on your table image, as well as his.

Otherwise, put me in the fold pre camp.
 
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thanks for the comments. I talked this through with 2 friends of mine that play at the same place and win a lot more than they lose. They both said that the preflop raise was fine and the flop bet was too small. They both said you can go either way after the turn, folding probably being a little better. My original thought was I played the hand completely bad.

I know I'm not bankrolled for this, but one of my friends did the exact same thing. He would buy in for $100 and slowly built his roll to the point where he can take 2 or 3 full buy ins ($200) with him now. Most of the time, he likes to buy in for $160. He thinks it's his lucky amount or something. I also could have bought in for more, but I really wanted to test a craps "system". So I don't believe I was really playing scared, I do however think I'm more comfortable playing in trnys.
 
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I think there is a lot of different things you could've done in that hand, but I don't see anything wrong with the way you played it.
 
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If you're going to play shortstacked then at least know how to play a decent shortstack strategy, which any tard playing 5 NL online learns. A2 is not a hand you want to open for 10% of your stack at any stakes.

as played, check-shoving or c/f are better than c/c turn.
 
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If you're going to play shortstacked then at least know how to play a decent shortstack strategy, which any tard playing 5 NL online learns. A2 is not a hand you want to open for 10% of your stack at any stakes.

as played, check-shoving or c/f are better than c/c turn.

This is true. Playing short-stacked really limits you.

And keep in mind, just because you are buying in smaller doesn't mean you can't go broke just as fast or even faster. There may be even more variance because of how often you'll be in situations where putting all your chips in is the only bet that makes sense.
 
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