1/2 Live hand (is my math right?)

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1/2 live, effective stacks 300. Table is loose passive. I'm OTB with 86ss.

There's a $5 straddle.

A decent reg limps. A fish (playing something like 90/2) limps. I decide to limp with 86ss OTB (anyone issues?)

Straddle (new player) raises to $25. Everyone calls. Pot is $100.

Flop is Ah 7s 3s.

Everyone checks and I bet $50 hoping to take it down. I think this is standard. Straddle folds, decent reg repops to $100 and fish folds.

I decide to call because I'm getting decent odds to draw. The pot is $250 and it's only another $50 to see a turn. I think I'm getting 5:1 on a call here so I'm priced in, plus the $100 behind which are implied odds.

The turn bricks. Reg shoves (pot is $300, we have $100 behind). I figure I'm not getting odds at this point so I fold.
 
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take the freecard on the flop thats what positions strength is
 
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I think if you play hands like 86s, you gotta raise preflop. Otherwise, you can find yourself in a spot vs. a stubborn villain, who won't let go of his 94s in the BB - potentially causing you to get stacked, if a flush comes.

Anyhow, keep in mind that you are playing these small suited connectors for straights, not flushes. Hitting a flush with this hand could be a very, VERY bad thing.

So play it like you would play AK - and bet / possibly even raise the flop, in case someone has bet.

If you called preflop with this hand (as you did), though I don't recommend doing so, you should check the flop, if the option comes to you. Taking a free card here is definitely valuable.
 
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you also want flexibility and as someone sharply raises 25 and theres a couple callers your really losing playability and need to fold. If you call you gotta shove these flops and pray so yeh having to fold turn is awful aftdr committing so much of your chips
 
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I prob check flop. However, once the $ 50 was put in and then got raised $50 more, have a 100 back, I would be more inclined to just jam the $150 than call $50. If stacks were alot deeper, think the $50 call is the better option.
 
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1/2 live, effective stacks 300. Table is loose passive. I'm OTB with 86ss.

There's a $5 straddle.

A decent reg limps. A fish (playing something like 90/2) limps. I decide to limp with 86ss OTB (anyone issues?)

Straddle (new player) raises to $25. Everyone calls. Pot is $100.

Flop is Ah 7s 3s.

Everyone checks and I bet $50 hoping to take it down. I think this is standard. Straddle folds, decent reg repops to $100 and fish folds.

I decide to call because I'm getting decent odds to draw. The pot is $250 and it's only another $50 to see a turn. I think I'm getting 5:1 on a call here so I'm priced in, plus the $100 behind which are implied odds.

The turn bricks. Reg shoves (pot is $300, we have $100 behind). I figure I'm not getting odds at this point so I fold.

Alright.... Here goes.

So we have the BTN, and some napkins (8-6s). It's a straddle, so we can almost count on dude raising the option.

So, given our position, and cards, we can raise the BTN. Every person that limps, it looks weaker and weaker. Limping the BTN here looks like what it is, rags.

So, we can raise, or fold. Raising probably doesn't accomplish much, so I say just fold pre.


As played, you limp, it gets popped by straddler, and you call. Fold pre as played.

On the flop, check back. take the free card. We have 8 high dude. When dude C/R you, it looks like a set probably, maybe As-Xs. Fold to that. We don't call the flop C/R, and fold turn. Lighting money on fire dude. Plus, this is multi-way, and you are pretty optimistic if you think this bet is going to get through. Not likely dude. We don't build pots with 8-high. We keep them small.


So, officially, fold pre, or raise. If we do raise (not preferred), we cut it to like $17-$20. But seriously, just fold pre. 8-6s is not a good hand dude. no.

Now, on the flop, when we bet (should have checked), then dude C/R, we are getting caged. Calling and seeing turn, then folding is so awful it tilts me a little just thinking about it. Not to mention, we aren't drawing to the nuts, and reg could easily have As-Xs (I would C/R that maybe), or sets. We have to know he's shipping the turn. So if we call flop, we might as well just get it in, and see turn+river. But, weeeeeee, gambooling.


If we decide to raise the BTN, we must consider our image, and what the table thinks of us. If we have tight/winning image, we might be able to get away with murder.


No disrespect, but this whole hand is just lol bad dude. Just fold pre. Play tighter. You are just playing passive fish bingo like the rest of the droolers.
 
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The re-pop is one of the reasons we want to just call IP. The other reason is we get to see a free card. Fold to any bet on the turn if we miss our draw. Anything else is FPS.
 
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Like all live threads, I agree with Bean here but I'm sure someone will come in and call us nits :D

I don't hate the limp pre though even I much prefer to raise it. Don't bet this flop multiway unless you are drawing to the nuts and happy to GII.
 
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Just for fun ;) from NL5 player

If we go by worst set scenario, he has {AA}, Option A: Getting it all in OTF:
EV= 0.257*(250+150)-0.743*150= -8.65
B: Calling 50 and getting stacks in OTT if hit
EV= - 0.809*50 – 0.058*150 + 0.133*350 = -2.6

Somewhat more realistic range: { 7d7h, 7d7c, 7h7c, 3d3h, 3d3c, 3h3c, As9s, As4s, As2s}
C: Calling 50 and getting stacks in OTT if hit
EV= -0.818*50 + 0.096*350 – 0.086*150 = -20.2
 
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Like all live threads, I agree with Bean here but I'm sure someone will come in and call us nits :D

I don't hate the limp pre though even I much prefer to raise it. Don't bet this flop multiway unless you are drawing to the nuts and happy to GII.


I Havent posted in a while and hope everyone is doing well.

I agree with Bean as well, either raise this pre or limp/check flop. Makes no sense to build a pot when you dont have straight outs either.

If flop was K79 two spades, would be more inclined to bet as we have a ton of equity against sets and two pairs, but as the hand is given you cant burn off money like this.
 
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Haven't read all the comments, but FWIW u can save urself a lot of money at 1/2 by not trying to get fancy with 8-6s. And certainly don't flat a $25 raise even if the pots bloated bc of a straddle.

As for the odds here postflop, u were correct to call the reraise (if u think any spade is good). However, keep in mind sometimes he has a set here (there goes some outs) and sometimes he has better spades with a pair (e.g., AQs) and ur dead. Much better to just take a free card.

On the river, mathematically, yes u should fold. But man it's a weak play...
 
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