$1/2 Live: Call or Fold

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So I am playing a 1-2 game here in Florida and came upon this hand. I wanted to see what others thought.
9 handed you are in utg+1 and are dealt 6d6h. Utg raises to 40 ( a move here in Florida we refer to as " I have Jacks " ). This player is an older gentleman who played very face up and has 200 effective. Utg+1 reraises to 90$, this player is late 20s early 30s playing very tight with 550 effective. I have a 390 stack.
Do you fold? Do you call?
Why do you do whatever you choose? Is it based on position, stack???
 
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I fold if I know both players are on the tighter side also them showing power in an early position most likely puts them on a tighter opening hand range I'm mucking my pocket sixes chances of me set mining are slim I fold and pick a different spot with more value.
 
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I fold if I know both players are on the tighter side also them showing power in an early position most likely puts them on a tighter opening hand range I'm mucking my pocket sixes chances of me set mining are slim I fold and pick a different spot with more value.



I did fold. I just know a few people said they would have called. I don't think I had the odds at all. Results orientated got me think as I would have tripled up. Thanks for your response. I thought the same way you did.
 
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Fold is the right choice here

Sorry, as you realized you are facing a tri bet with tight players

There is something wrong with phone it sends the messages unfinished. As I was saying, the betting pattern of both shows a strong hand that could easily beat 6s so, why risk 1/4 of your stack.
 
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Fold is correct.

I mean you're probably behind and not getting even close to good odds to hit a set on flop. A while back in a live game I had A8 suited and was first to act, against a guy who raises like $12 pre flop every hand, I call, flop comes K88 rainbow. I check, he bets pot, I 3x raise him, he calls. Turn comes 6. He bets , I shove, he shows 66 for a boat. Not sure why he was in the hand facing aggression on a paired flop but he literally had 2 outs and got there on turn. Obviously short term he made a nice profit but long term that's a losing strategy. Maybe he was trying to rep KK there or K8 but he got lucky plain and simple on turn.

I digress though...fold 66 pre in these spots.
 
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I would fold. With 66 the only way you should have a good chance is with the flop giving you a set. If it doesn't happens, you will have to fold a raise.
 
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So I am playing a 1-2 game here in Florida and came upon this hand. I wanted to see what others thought.
9 handed you are in utg+1 and are dealt 6d6h. Utg raises to 40 ( a move here in Florida we refer to as " I have Jacks " ). This player is an older gentleman who played very face up and has 200 effective. Utg+1 reraises to 90$, this player is late 20s early 30s playing very tight with 550 effective. I have a 390 stack.
Do you fold? Do you call?
Why do you do whatever you choose? Is it based on position, stack???

I would say that it is an easy fold, because u can never call a re-raise on a raise with 66, where you know from before that u definitely must hit another 6 to have a "possible chance" of winning. So you have a 2 outer from the entire deck.
You have about 13%-15% chance of winning as to where you have to invest about 25% of your stack to see a flop. So you have to invest 90$ in a pot of 180$. These are not good odds.
And then you have the probability that one of the raisers go on top and 3-bets all-in. Will you fold then? Or will you feel pot committed?

So in short my personal opinion is an easy fold.

Hope that this is of some use :)
 
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I would say that it is an easy fold, because u can never call a re-raise on a raise with 66, where you know from before that u definitely must hit another 6 to have a "possible chance" of winning. So you have a 2 outer from the entire deck.

You have about 13%-15% chance of winning as to where you have to invest about 25% of your stack to see a flop. So you have to invest 90$ in a pot of 180$. These are not good odds.

And then you have the probability that one of the raisers go on top and 3-bets all-in. Will you fold then? Or will you feel pot committed?



So in short my personal opinion is an easy fold.



Hope that this is of some use :)



Thanks everyone.... I know some may think this was a pretty obvious fold, however I am always looking for intel and thoughts because sometimes there's merit to other options! Thanks group
 
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easy fold :) , what did the utg do?



He smooth called .... flop came 6-4-k... he checked other player shoved, utg folded face up jacks. Other player showed aces. Had he not reraised I was calling and the player next to me had 4s he woulda too... I woulda tripled up.. but it is results oriented.
 
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First of all, what casino is this and where? Do people normally raise 40 or 50 preflop there in 1/2?


What a juicy table. I love it. If 1/2 is played like 5/10, I love that place.


I fold.
 
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He smooth called .... flop came 6-4-k... he checked other player shoved, utg folded face up jacks. Other player showed aces. Had he not reraised I was calling and the player next to me had 4s he woulda too... I woulda tripled up.. but it is results oriented.

In this case it would work out good for you, but what are the percentages of this happening?
When the flop comes it's very easy to regret that you had folded, but you have to also consider the fact that if there was another flop you would have said to yourself:thank god i didn't make that call:).

Pre-flop you had about about 15% chance of hitting your 6. Ans the odds you were getting were too poor.

But of course this is my personal opinion. Others may differ

In the long run this will always make you a better player:D
 
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i'm folding quicker than a cheap suit on prom night. Your only option is to 4 bet if you want to get your money in here..and what will call you that doesn't have you dominated ?...a loose AK at best...
Calling the 3 bet will only price the old gent in to call...and you don't want to be playing 66 against 2+ players...even in position...unless you hit your miracle 6.

which you would have....ouch...folding is of course the right move though...we must think process rather than results oriented play.

Move on...next hand
 
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Disciplined fold. I know the feeling of the "I knew it was coming" lol. I also play here in Florida and the games are juicy. Just pick another spot you know there will be plenty more if you just wait for them!
 
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Snappiest of snap folds.

We flop a set one time out of eight, roughly 12%. Dude would have to have $720 effective stack after his PFR to even think about a call here, not mention we are cold calling, so dude could reraise still. Just fold here every time and don't think about it anymore.
 
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I am too. There is only fold for the sucsess
 
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You can very quickly estimate if you can set mine using Rule of 20.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/198/mttsng/pocket-pairs-call-20-rule-1-8-a-1413456/

Many variations of this. Mostly used I think are: in position 15x, out of position 20x. However, some use IP or OOP 15x. If you are sure opponent has KK+ some go down to 10x, but well…

I’m not sure if 390 stack refers to start of the hand or for the current situation. If I guess right you need to call 50 OP? Thus you need the effective stacks left to be 10x=500 to 20x=1000 to even consider, and then settle down around to number you like, let say for entertaining purposes 13x= 650.

I have no idea how the hand went from you text, but you can fill in the number yourself :p

If there is actually 2 other players, and you get 4betted?!? I don’t understand why you ask.
 
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You don't have the right odds to set-mine here so this is just a standard fold.
 
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not close to enough odds to call with 6's for set mining purposes, what happens if it comes x6J, or x6Q on flop? and you 'know' he has jacks?
 
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To me it always depends on the whole cards, position at the table, size of the bet and chip stacks. In that order. If there are any reads available than that would play a role aswell.
 
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In my opinion, its a good FOLD.
 
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Easy fold

Easy fold pre-flop. You would essentially only have 2 cards that can help you on the flop and that is the last two 6's. Even if you hit one, there is a good chance you have close to bottom set. If you flop a flush draw, it is a weak draw and if you flop a straight draw you are already committed to losing more chips.
 
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with the info about the man who 3-bet you could easily fold
 
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I think U did right. U have 2 tight players that raised, it´s no good position and U need a quarter of U´r stack. U can only improove with another 6 plus if U get 4 card flush, but with a 6 top that´s no good.:(
If U were button and there are many limps then ok, because value would be worth it.:smile:
A PP is a speculative hand, if U can´t see flop for cheap money, fold.
My opinion of course.
Bye
 
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