.04/.08 Limit Razz

Richyl2008

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Should I be betting 4th or 5th here? (i have no idea i suck at razz)

pokerstars Game #21989687371: Razz Limit ($0.04/$0.08) - 2008/11/12 20:31:39 ET
Table 'Atria III' 8-max
Seat 4: muck__you123 ($19.73 in chips)
Seat 5: Brandon518 ($0.39 in chips)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 7: switch0723 ($3.93 in chips)
muck__you123: posts the ante $0.01
Brandon518: posts the ante $0.01
BabyHumvee: posts the ante $0.01
switch0723: posts the ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s]
Dealt to Brandon518 [7d]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c]
Dealt to switch0723 [Qc]
switch0723: brings in for $0.02
muck__you123: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Brandon518: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $0.04 to $0.08
switch0723: folds
Brandon518 said, "huh"
Brandon518 said, "you talking to me"
muck__you123: calls $0.04
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s] [9d]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c] [3d]
muck__you123: checks
BabyHumvee: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s 9d] [Kh]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c 3d] [Ks]
muck__you123: checks
BabyHumvee: checks
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s 9d Kh] [Jc]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c 3d Ks] [7c]
muck__you123: checks
BabyHumvee: bets $0.08
muck__you123: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.08) returned to BabyHumvee
BabyHumvee collected $0.21 from pot
BabyHumvee: shows
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.22 | Rake $0.01
Seat 4: muck__you123 folded on the 6th Street
Seat 5: Brandon518 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee collected ($0.21)
Seat 7: switch0723 folded on the 3rd Street
 
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Yep, bet 4th and 5th. Even if he calls 4th Str (which is fine imo since there was a double raise on 3rd), he can't call 5th with [xx]33K board. Well he could call 5th, but doing so would be a huge mistake on his part as it is a big bet and he has, at best, a 3 card hand.
 
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Should I be betting 4th or 5th here? (i have no idea i suck at razz)

PokerStars Game #21989687371: Razz Limit ($0.04/$0.08) - 2008/11/12 20:31:39 ET
Table 'Atria III' 8-max
Seat 4: muck__you123 ($19.73 in chips)
Seat 5: Brandon518 ($0.39 in chips)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 7: switch0723 ($3.93 in chips)
muck__you123: posts the ante $0.01
Brandon518: posts the ante $0.01
BabyHumvee: posts the ante $0.01
switch0723: posts the ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s] very good starting hand, little chance
Dealt to Brandon518 7♦ of pairing and no cards needed are dead
Dealt to BabyHumvee 3♣ = FULL STEAM AHEAD
Dealt to switch0723 Q♣
switch0723: brings in for $0.02
muck__you123: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Brandon518: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $0.04 to $0.08
switch0723: folds
Brandon518 said, "huh"
Brandon518 said, "you talking to me"
muck__you123: calls $0.04
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s] 9♦ You have the lead and should bet
Dealt to BabyHumvee 3♣ 3♦
muck__you123: checks
BabyHumvee: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s 9d] K♥ You still have the lead and I need
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c 3d] K♠ runners. Bet and I fold 100%*
muck__you123: checks of the time
BabyHumvee: checks
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [7h 2c 3s 9d Kh] J♣
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3c 3d Ks] 7♣ YOU ARE IN TROUBLE NOW
muck__you123: checks
BabyHumvee: bets $0.08
muck__you123: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.08) returned to BabyHumvee
BabyHumvee collected $0.21 from pot
BabyHumvee: shows
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.22 | Rake $0.01
Seat 4: muck__you123 folded on the 6th Street
Seat 5: Brandon518 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee collected ($0.21)
Seat 7: switch0723 folded on the 3rd Street


* 100% guarantee does not apply to 4/8 cent game and is more accurately described as 4%
 
rwilson

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Definitely bet 4th and 5th str.

I could be wrong here.. You've got the lowest made hand.. why are you folding?

are you a better chance to get outdrawn here than you are for the hand to hold up? Obviously unimproved your hand will most likely get beaten on 7th, but I wouldn't have thought you'd be making the wrong play by calling here?

You've got a J low and you're drawing to a 9 low. Your opponent has a K low, but is most likely drawing to a 7-low.. and probably only needs a J or lower that doesn't pair his hand, unless you improve, then he needs a 9 or lower..... and now my head is spinning

thoughts? or can someone be bothered doing the maths? :/
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #21989687371: RAZZ LIMIT ($0.04/$0.08) - 2008/11/12 20:31:39 ET
Table 'Atria III' 8-max
Seat 4: muck__you123 ($19.73 in chips)
Seat 5: Brandon518 ($0.39 in chips)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 7: switch0723 ($3.93 in chips)
muck__you123: posts the ante $0.01
Brandon518: posts the ante $0.01
BabyHumvee: posts the ante $0.01
switch0723: posts the ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to muck__you123 [3s]
Dealt to Brandon518 [7d]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [6s Ad 3c]
Dealt to switch0723 [Qc]
switch0723: brings in for $0.02

I am about 54% to win on 6th.
ProPokerTools Simulator Results - all-in race

On 4th street, I was 36.6%
ProPokerTools Simulator Results - all-in race


On 5th street, I was 26%:
ProPokerTools Simulator Results - all-in race

On 3rd street, I was just under 51% to win:
ProPokerTools Simulator Results - all-in race


Don't you love how I only bet when I'm a favorite?
 
rwilson

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yeah.. I was thinking it had to be around the 50/50 mark on 6th street, which is why I was a little confused that there was a fold there.

Well played I guess Skoldpadda! :)
 
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I play razz some myself but I am a long way from a pro but I think I would have bet on fifth street. I know the king hurt you but he has to throw out his king and a 3 meaning to me his hole cards would both have to be real low for him to call. He would obviously put you on the 9 but you would have 2 cards to improve so I would have bet a little there anyway to try to get him to fold and not get a free card.
 
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I bet fourth expecting a call, then bet fifth expecting a fold. Yeah it's a marginal hand, but (xx)33K is pretty much unplayable in that spot and you don't need your oppponent backing into something worth playing.

As played, I'd call sixth then check the river expecting to see a free showdown a good chunk of the time. Against an aggressive opponent like Skold you won't get that free showdown as often, but that's my line against an average opponent. Check-call seventh if you improve to a nine, you're only getting called by a better hand if you lead seventh but you'll occasionally catch a bluff there.
 
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