$.02/.04 FLHE Full Ring: TT against bet/raise

$.02/.04 FL HE Full Ring: TT against bet/raise

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 59/30/54

Ultimate Bet $0.02/$0.04 Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with T T
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

Flop: (12 SB) 8 5 7 (6 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, ...

Against a bet and a raise, both playing fairly aggressively, am I peeling this with the intent of seeing the turn? Or fold in light of a really dangerous set of draws?

What are you hoping to see on the turn?

Straights and flushes everywhere. Sets and better overpairs as well.

Sure, it's microstakes and you never know who is reraising with trash, but I say leave this one be.

How much did everyone have? How much was the raise?
If he's short it could be a shove. I don't see how this is a fold though with an overpair on this board.
Do you think this guy bets his draws or is it more likely to be that he hit a pair?
In a vacuum I guess you could raise but you have position on the guy so you could call if you think he may fold his weaker hands.

Ubercroz said:

How much did everyone have? How much was the raise?
If he's short it could be a shove. I don't see how this is a fold though with an overpair on this board.
Do you think this guy bets his draws or is it more likely to be that he hit a pair?
In a vacuum I guess you could raise but you have position on the guy so you could call if you think he may fold his weaker hands.

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Nah, I know this is a fairly loose player who bets with the nuts and isn't afraid to bet with a board. Assume stacks aren't short, and that people are willing to pursue draws (this is ultra-micro stakes). I'm really interested in how people handle overpairs on drawy boards like this. (There is more hand history to come, by the way, so this particular hand has a conclusion)

Ubercroz said:

If he's short it could be a shove.

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Also remember, this is limit hold'em.

If I got myself in that situation I'd just fold the flop.

swrittenb said:

Also remember, this is limit hold'em.

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L2Read, KyleJRM. Disregard what I said earlier.

Epic reading comprehension ITT...

Call. You're not knocking out any additional players with a raise, and the board is so draw heavy, you want to wait until the turn to put additional raises in. Also, if one of the villain does have a set or two pair, the turn can bring you a lot of draws that will help against those hands (hearts, nines).

So I call here, planning to raise a lot of turns if bet into.

You don't fold overpairs playing limit hold'em, btw, especially not at 2c/4c.

Thanks for the advice. So I'm assuming in your opinion, it's worth it to peel with an overpair, even on drawy boards like this at the micros?

Here's the full hand, for posterity. Someone else stuck along, and my tens would have been good at showdown. Is this an anomaly though, even on the turn? Any six, any jack, two pair in calling range (before the river would have given me a set), and even if I hit the set, I'm not stoked because of the draw. Or maybe these players are playing and raising anything one pair and up?

Ultimate Bet $0.02/$0.04 Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with T T
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

Flop: (12 SB) 8 5 7 (6 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, CO calls, SB calls all in

Turn: (9 BB) 9 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets, CO calls

River: (11 BB) T (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets, CO folds

Final Pot: 11 BB
SB mucks Q 7
BB shows 8 Q (One pair, eights)
BB wins 2 BB
BB wins 8 BB
(Rake: $0.04)

Anyway, thanks for the advice. I fold too much. :/

swrittenb said:

Thanks for the advice. So I'm assuming in your opinion, it's worth it to peel with an overpair

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We're not peeling, we have a really strong hand. This isn't no limit, you're not putting off a lot of implied odds. If you wanted to 3-bet the flop, I couldn't fault you very much.