$0.50-$1.00 Limit Hold'em: AA OTB, nasty flop for aces.

c9h13no3

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Villain is pretty bluffy, and has no problem moving chips around. Here's a hand for reference.

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Villain is the Button.
Hero posts the small blind of $.25.
missnoclue posts the big blind of $.50.

Hero: :8h4: :8c4:

Pre-flop:

2 Folds. Villain raises to $1. Hero re-raises to $1.50. BB folds. Villain calls.

Flop (board: :2h4: :3c4: :6h4:):

Hero bets $.50. Villain calls.

Turn (board: :2h4: :3c4: :6h4: :5d4:):

Hero bets $1. Villain raises to $2. Hero
calls.

River (board: :2h4: :3c4: :6h4: :5d4: :qd4:):

Hero checks. Villain bets $1. Hero calls.

Showdown:

Villain shows :jh4: :kc4:
Hero shows :8h4: :8c4:

Hero wins $10 with a pair of eights.
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This hand below happened immediately after the previous hand. Given that history, how do you play this flop/turn?

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Hero is on the button.
missnoclue posts the small blind of $.25.
Fadmann88 posts the big blind of $.50.

Hero: :as4: :ah4:

Pre-flop:

1 fold. Villain raises to $1. Hero
re-raises to $1.50. 2 folds. Villain calls.

Flop (board: :qs4: :kd4: :10s4:):

Villain bets $.50. Hero calls.

Turn (board: :qs4: :kd4: :10s4: :kh4:):

Villain bets $1. Hero gets to showdown cheap? Raises for value?
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twizzybop

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I almost would try for cheap here, reason being he likes the painted cards and will call all the way down and or bet with painted cards based on the previous hand. Even possible to put him on a flush draw and/or straight draw. So many possibilities that you are behind here compared to the possiblities that you are ahead. The easiest safest play would be to fold and get out very cheaply.
 
c9h13no3

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The easiest safest play would be to fold and get out very cheaply.
You think I can fold after the history we have? Given this is the very next hand, but if I call the turn & river, it costs me like 2$ to win $6. You don't think I'm good 1 out of 4 times?
 
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I think the question remains, do you believe your aces are good? If they are then a re-raise will answer that. If again you believe he may be bluffing then again the re-raise will be good. Yet just constantly calling(hence a calling station), isn't always the way to go. Either play aggresively or you don't.
 
ChuckTs

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What does raising do for us against a bluff?

c9: I think raising and calling down if 3bet is definitely a legit line here as I think he'd almost always ch-r the flop with a king. He won't have many pure bluffs in his range with that line on this type of board, so most of his 'bluffs' will be semibluffs that we can eek value from. If it's a dryer flop like KK92 then maybe we can just call down since raising will only shut out the bluffs.
 
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What does raising do for us against a bluff?

c9: I think raising and calling down if 3bet is definitely a legit line here as I think he'd almost always ch-r the flop with a king. He won't have many pure bluffs in his range with that line on this type of board, so most of his 'bluffs' will be semibluffs that we can eek value from. If it's a dryer flop like KK92 then maybe we can just call down since raising will only shut out the bluffs.
Wouldn't raising a brick turn be better (or a K, which is pretty good for our range) than raising the flop? Lots of his hands like QJ, JT, QT, JJ (maybe 4-bets?) just lost a significant amount of equity on the turn, plus the bet is bigger. I suppose I'd really have to stove it, but what's the standard way to play this situation (drawy, co-ordinated flop with a 1 pair hand in limit).
 
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Well ya, on that QTKK board a brick turn would be much better for us and we'd be much happier raising it than a K turn. That's not what I meant with my example though - I meant that if the flop were K92 (ie no draws) then he donked a K turn, he'd be much more likely to have pure bluffs (or 9x turning their hand into a bluff) than a semibluff, so there's not as much value raising the turn vs calling down.
 
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