$0,10/$0,25 NLHE Full Ring: Top set. Call a raise on the river?

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hoedtrob

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Hi,

2nd hand at the table. No reads yet. I'm SB. Hole cards is QQ.
Villain at UTG+2 limps. MP limps, MP+1 limps.
Folds to me. I 3-bet (0,75$). BB folds. Villain calls. MP both calls.
Potsize: 3,25$

FLOP: 2, 6, 7 rainbow

I bet 1,25, Villain calls. MP both fold.
Potsize : 5,75

TURN: Q (4th colour, no flush draws)

I bet 1,75 Villain calls.
Potsize : 9,25

RIVER: 10

Questions:
1) what about betsizing on flop and river? (i think the flop bet is ok, i'm first to act with 3 behind and you never know. turn bet too small maybe, but i dont want to loose a customer with top set)

2) what do i do on the river?
i choose to bet 2,25.
villain raises to 6,25.

:confused:

Question: what to do? fold, call, reraise? And why?

I'll post the outcome later on.
 
ConDeck

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Hi,

2nd hand at the table. No reads yet. I'm SB. Hole cards is QQ.
Villain at UTG+2 limps. MP limps, MP+1 limps.
Folds to me. I 3-bet (0,75$). BB folds. Villain calls. MP both calls.
Potsize: 3,25$

FYI This is just a raise, not a 3b. Also with 3 limps I would be making this like $1.25/1.50 to go

FLOP: 2, 6, 7 rainbow

I bet 1,25, Villain calls. MP both fold.
Potsize : 5,75

Betsize too small... $1.75-2 in line with our standard c bet sizing on dry boards.

TURN: Q (4th colour, no flush draws)

I bet 1,75 Villain calls.
Potsize : 9,25

Bet sizing too small again, I understand betting so small begging for a call but we should still be making it like $3 here. If villain is calling it shouldn't really make a difference but gives us more value. Not getting value for your hands is a huge leak.

RIVER: 10

Questions:
1) what about betsizing on flop and river? (i think the flop bet is ok, i'm first to act with 3 behind and you never know. turn bet too small maybe, but i dont want to loose a customer with top set)

2) what do i do on the river?
i choose to bet 2,25.
villain raises to 6,25.

Bet sizing too small, you should be betting around $5 here. Same reason as above. As played your only beat by 89, which in general circumstances I would say is villains most likely holding, but since you played this hand so weak you are forced to call imo. Your getting 2.5:1 so you only have to be correct like 30% of the time, and due to the way the hand went down villain can easily be bluffing/raising worse 3 times in ten. Reraising serves no purpose here, you lose more to hands that beat you (specifically 89) and win no more from hands you beat.


:confused:

Question: what to do? fold, call, reraise? And why?

I'll post the outcome later on.

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Raise more preflop. Standard is 3BB + 1BB per limper + 1BB for being OOP = 1.75$

As played, make the flop at least half pot: 1.75$

As played, make the turn at least half pot: 3.00$

Had you done that, then 89 wouldn't have had the correct (implied) odds to chase. You missed a ton of value!


Same on the river: bet at least half pot: 4.75$.


As played, I snap-call the river. You gave 89 correct odds to chase, so there's plenty of that in his range, but it also is the only hand that beats us, and there's a lot of smaller sets and two-pairs and bluffs that could play like he did, so you have to call.
 
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easy call on river(great pot odds and only one hand is better 89). His range has enough other hands which he can raise on river for value.
bad sizings on all streets, ConDeck cleared enough that situation.
 
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river call , preflop 2,25 izoraise oop as played flop 1,7 bet turn bet =3
river 5,7 $ bet

If you play with better sizings OTR threw a stack
 
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Hi Condeck, and others

"FYI This is just a raise, not a 3b" TRUE.

IN general you all think my betsizing is too small, at least in this situation. I guess there is something to say for that. On the other hand, if i bet too large, say 1,50 or 1,75 preflop , i could win the bets, but only that. Isn't that a leak in my game then as well?

Or, seen from another angle, i sometimes feel there are players that will always call once they put money in the pot (barring all-ins etc) So villain may called a bigger preflop bet, and subsequently calling all my bets because of the draw he was on (yes he had 89 of course) And then my losses would have been even bigger.

Also another consideration i had at the river. Should I bet at all?
Reasoning for not betting: if he missed a draw he's not gonna call anyway, if he has hit it's cheaper if i feel i have to call a bet anyway, given that he still may only have top pair or 2 pair or something like that.

Thx a lot for all your responses. Valuable information

Regards
Robert
 
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