Would you have folded here as well? [WSOP 2015]

Status
Not open for further replies.
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
Hey everyone,

New to this forum, will be great participating in the discussions here and looking forward to some great poker talks :)

Wanted to share with you a video from the latest episode of the wsop 2015 Main Event where Howells is in a hand against Kamutzki.

After watching the video, you may think to yourself how did he fold there, what went through his mind, but after seeing he was put almost all-in and his tournament life was on the line...would you have folded as well or called here?

What makes this even more interesting is that at the comments section, Jesse Howells the player himself replied and gave his own complete hand description and analysis from start to finish, from pre-flop all the way to the end, so it can make it easier for you to answer when you know the entire hand/picture.

Would be great hearing your thoughts on that, and it's a cool video as well.



Have a great day everyone!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
starting_at_the_bottom

starting_at_the_bottom

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 9, 2012
Total posts
2,665
Awards
1
Chips
7
Well most of the information is missing (ie we only see the river bets). Would I fold 55 there? I really really doubt it, but as I said, we dont have all the info.
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
See Howells description of the hand at the comments section

Well most of the information is missing (ie we only see the river bets). Would I fold 55 there? I really really doubt it, but as I said, we dont have all the info.

Thanks for your reply,

Please see the entire action description of the hand at the comments section as Howells (the player in the hand) himself commented to the video and described everything that happened from start to finish, maybe this will help after realizing the whole picture.

Thanks,
 
demibar

demibar

Legend
Platinum Level
Joined
Aug 4, 2015
Total posts
2,318
Awards
10
GR
Chips
102
ok its live poker everything its different we talking about thousands of dollars the opponent might be very calm and so sure about his hand that confused him in that raise i would afraid of AA'S KK'S we dont know what was the bet they had preflop i would propably folded its huge bet you dont risk that money if you have to have a very big amount
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
ok its live poker everything its different we talking about thousands of dollars the opponent might be very calm and so sure about his hand that confused him in that raise i would afraid of AA'S KK'S we dont know what was the bet they had preflop i would propably folded its huge bet you dont risk that money if you have to have a very big amount

Indeed, another perspective, thank you.

This is why I put this video, because a lot say that he should have called no matter that he was risking his tournament because he was strong on a wide range of hands, yet others say that they understand the fold - that is why I wanted to open this for discussion and here all kinds of thoughts...

You can read Howells (the player in the video) describing everything about this hand from star to finish to get the whole picture - it's at the comments section of the YouTube page of this video.

Thanks,
 
T

Tu Ng

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 19, 2015
Total posts
117
Chips
0
wow. that is funny. I would have folded too cus he can have either two A or two K.
 
rawbad

rawbad

Legend
Platinum Level
Joined
Jun 15, 2010
Total posts
4,599
Awards
8
US
Chips
157
fold to play another hand
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
At least he'll get a dinner and a free hand from Esfandiari :)
 
mariel619

mariel619

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 14, 2015
Total posts
260
Chips
0
theres no way i fold, especially already in the money, its a freeroll
and like antonio said its pretty hard to make a set, and the only hand to beat you is a str8, kinda rare for trip A or K. terrible fold
 
skull89

skull89

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 18, 2015
Total posts
309
Chips
0
I wouldn't fold!
I didn't see all the moves in this hand, but in the river I wouldn't fold a set.
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
I wouldn't fold!
I didn't see all the moves in this hand, but in the river I wouldn't fold a set.

The TV shows only this part, but if you go and read the comments section, you'll read Howells' entire description and analysis of the hand from start to finish and get the big picture, he's the second player in the hand - it's on the YouTube page at the comments section.
 
J

joe777

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
May 3, 2014
Total posts
2,694
Chips
0
I would never fold,that guys was distracted by the side bet imo.
 
Ljuk358

Ljuk358

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 15, 2015
Total posts
391
Chips
0
After this, probably I'm all-in next hand because "THE BIGGEST TILT ON THIS PLANET" :D :D
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
I think he simply complicated himself with too much thinking and trying to over analyze Howells, and when you lose you current game plan due to this over analyzing, you make mistakes....plus his fear of being eliminated from the tournament, all these factors contributed to his fold...IMO.
 
T

Tosh_67

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 12, 2015
Total posts
211
Awards
1
Chips
0
As already said can't say without seeing all the info... He convinced himself he was against AA or KK and was beat... Howells had TPTK on the flop so he would would be thinking he was likely ahead and would play that hand confidently.

It was only because of the side bet he knew he folded the winning hand so quite annoying really but he was in the side bet so he brought it on himself :)
 
arborest

arborest

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 21, 2015
Total posts
83
Chips
0
I would definitely call in this situation. Of course there is a chance to lose,, but thats poker and we know its not that often when guys get a set.
 
B

benspocket

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Total posts
433
Awards
2
Chips
0
well i would of called the allin with a set for sure
 
dnegsisabadreg

dnegsisabadreg

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 15, 2015
Total posts
162
Chips
0
Even based on his own reasoning, I think this is a bad fold. He says he could only be up against AA, KK, or AK. But there are more combos of AK in the deck than AA and KK combined. This combined with the fact that he's getting better than 3 to 1 odds on the river means it's a call in my opinion.
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
Even based on his own reasoning, I think this is a bad fold. He says he could only be up against AA, KK, or AK. But there are more combos of AK in the deck than AA and KK combined. This combined with the fact that he's getting better than 3 to 1 odds on the river means it's a call in my opinion.

It is a bad fold, yet I think I can understand it if I think about it.

I don't justify the fold, he should have called this hand and take the risk of being eliminated because like Esfandiari told him, it's really hard to make a set and if you have it, chances your opponent has a higher set are lower...so...should have called, yet I can understand the fear of being eliminated.

With time and experience he'll get better I'm sure :)
 
teepack

teepack

Legend
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 5, 2014
Total posts
2,317
Awards
1
Chips
14
I remember seeing that and thinking there is no way I would have folded a set there. I think sets are the hardest thing to detect, even for poker pros. Perfect trap opportunity.
 
C

colacho

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 28, 2013
Total posts
64
Awards
1
Chips
3
In the video not seen all the movements of both players came to know as acting Howels , that maybe can get proving to have some pocket AA or KK, but in my case I do not throw that hand !
 
J

Jack Daniels 24

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Sep 28, 2015
Total posts
2
Chips
0
Well well

I thought he should have called personally. .. There was a long shot at a straight and trip kings or maybe high pair. I would have been more worried about the straight but I wouldn't have put him on that or trip kings. I would have said he had a high pair a k. I think know he had one of them moments we have all had and fold when we should shove. I would have found it very hard to fold that hand.

Jack
 
almanik

almanik

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 24, 2014
Total posts
177
Chips
0
I never fold with such hand. Never. All-in on turn it's the best here. Amazing hand! But in poker everything happen sometimes. Some people can fold with AA on pre-flop...
 
R

Rinor81

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Total posts
74
Chips
0
I don't have anything more at this moment to contribute, but I just wanted to thank each and every one of you for making this a great poker discussion...thank you all!!!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
WSOP Folding in Poker
Top