WOULD YOU DO THIS

I am Fold_to_me1, my reasoning was, i had nut flush draw, + a straight draw and i could only put him on that jack or a flush draw aswell, would you have called his bet


Seat 1: merman8 ($1,280 in chips)
Seat 2: sacaboo ($3,270 in chips)
Seat 3: repo_man ($1,370 in chips)
Seat 4: Danewolf ($1,280 in chips)
Seat 5: Fold_to_me1 [5h][Ah] ($3,600 in chips)
Seat 7: RiverRat_555 ($1,450 in chips)
Seat 9: piggada_igga ($1,730 in chips)
Seat 10: RhinoRC24 ($1,020 in chips)
merman8 posts blind ($25),
sacaboo posts blind ($50).

PRE-FLOP
repo_man folds, Danewolf calls $50, Fold_to_me1 calls $50, RiverRat_555 calls $50, piggada_igga calls $50, RhinoRC24 folds, merman8 calls $25, sacaboo checks.

FLOP [board cards [JH][10C][4H]
merman8 checks, sacaboo checks, Danewolf checks, Fold_to_me1 bets $100, RiverRat_555 bets $300, piggada_igga folds, merman8 folds, sacaboo folds, Danewolf folds, Fold_to_me1 calls $200.

TURN [board cards [JH][10C][4H][3C]
Fold_to_me1 checks, RiverRat_555 bets $1,100 and is all-in, Fold_to_me1 calls $1,100.

RIVER [board cards [JH][10C][4H][3C][QD]


SHOWDOWN
RiverRat_555 shows [QH][JC]
Fold_to_me1 shows [5H][AH]
RiverRat_555 wins $3,100. SUMMARY
Dealer: RhinoRC24
Pot: $3,100
merman8, loses $50
sacaboo, loses $50
repo_man, loses $0
Danewolf, loses $50
Fold_to_me1, loses $1,450
RiverRat_555, bets $1,450, collects $3,100, net $1,650
piggada_igga, loses $50
RhinoRC24, loses $0

that many chips on a draw with no pre flop raise to let them know you had a strong hand (and A 5 suited is not a strong hand, but you could have represented one), no way. i would have folded and saved my chips for some better odds.


g/l

Problem with this hand is, with 5 players seeing flop one of them is bound to get a piece of it (so you can't really say "I put him on a Jack - this is complete guesswork as he hasn't made significant bet in the first place). It's very tempting to call with Ace suited when you have a small kicker - I do this myself, but I also lose a lot of big pots like these. If you had raised pre-flop your opponent "should" fold, so any remaining players would have been less likely to hit flop.

As to whether you should have called final all-in, the pot odds and odds of hitting your outs (9 hearts, 2 2's (not including 2 of hearts) and 3 Aces) were roughly equivalent, so 50/50.

I would have folded. I don't think you want to chase the nut flush with that many chips as the price to see the river. You haven't invested that much in the pot so the other player would only get your $300 that you put in there already if you folded. You don't even have a pair so even if the other player had a pair of threes, you would lose if that heart didn't come up (which it didn't). To me, it's not worth risking that many chips hoping a heart will come up.

I'm thinking with A-5 from that position that IF you're going to play it, you should of raised. You only want like 1 or 2 callers here. Then on the flop, when he raised, that should of been a red flag! BUT If you put him on Jacks only, then you should of taken back control of the betting by re-raises. Making him re-think about the Flush draw.

I think in this hand, you should re-raised or folded after the flop.

Although with your chip stack, you could of called, which you did, but after he went All-In AFTER you CHECKED, there is no way you should called his All-in.

If you were only going to call after you missed your flush, then you should of never called his raise in the first place.

I think if you honestly review the way you played that hand it wasnt the best.

Preflop - Ok to call. I would personally be putting in a 4 x BB raise with this hand, especially with the blinds this low. As Rob said, with so manly limpers you are reducing the odds of you taking down the pot.

Flop - A semi-bluff is a good move here for definite. I would probably have bet slightly more, as 100 chips can make your hand look kinda weak. Then call to his raise means he can almost definitely put you on a draw or middle pair

Turn - He way overbets the pot knowing you are almost certainly on a flush draw and hoping to catch. You make a TERRIBLE call here. You are drawing to what it at best 15 outs (3 Aces, 4 x deuces and 8 x Hearts), making you a likely over 2/1 underdog and with nothing like pot odds to call.

I think he put you on the draw and thought "if he wants to take me on with a draw and with me already ahead, then he is going to pay for it", which you did

I would definitely be pushing a bet out on the turn hoping to see a cheap river, checking is showing your weakness and calling is probably showing an even bigger weakness

Fold preflop.

Flop is okay (you have pot and implied odds to call, especially if your Ace outs as well as flush outs are good). The turn is an easy fold though, the other guy is charging you too much to try and draw out on him.

colin_147 said:

I think if you honestly review the way you played that hand it wasnt the best.

Preflop - Ok to call. I would personally be putting in a 4 x BB raise with this hand, especially with the blinds this low. As Rob said, with so manly limpers you are reducing the odds of you taking down the pot.

Flop - A semi-bluff is a good move here for definite. I would probably have bet slightly more, as 100 chips can make your hand look kinda weak. Then call to his raise means he can almost definitely put you on a draw or middle pair

Turn - He way overbets the pot knowing you are almost certainly on a flush draw and hoping to catch. You make a TERRIBLE call here. You are drawing to what it at best 15 outs (3 Aces, 4 x deuces and 8 x Hearts), making you a likely over 2/1 underdog and with nothing like pot odds to call.

I think he put you on the draw and thought "if he wants to take me on with a draw and with me already ahead, then he is going to pay for it", which you did

I would definitely be pushing a bet out on the turn hoping to see a cheap river, checking is showing your weakness and calling is probably showing an even bigger weakness

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PERFECT, thankyou, and thankyou all, it has all been taken on board

lets see if i can understand this.

$200 in the pot after the flop
you raise 1/2 the pot ($100)

so now there is is $300

then he bets you back the pot ($300)

the chance of a flush (your only out becuase the ace kikker isnt playable) is two times 9/47 or 18/47.

then its simpley..... does payout justify the odds? Your geting double money (at the best) but your chances of geting the hand are less than 50% so it isnt worth it,

If he best 3/4 or 2/3 the pot it would be worth it.

He clearley had a read and thats why he raised above the pot... becuase he suspected you had a flush draw you might call on. Gving him the advantage.

i think thats right anyway.

Not really Topps - he needs to bet $1,100 into $2,000 pot making $3,100 so he's getting just under 2/1 odds - the chance of him hitting his outs is 30% so just over 2/1 - as I said in my first post, it's borderline call /fold, but as other posters have said, if the hand was played differently the decisions would be easier. I suppose there is also the added possibility that opponent was also on busted flush draw, but I wouldn't pay $1,100 to find out.

its 2 shots at 9 in 47 isnt it?
= 18/47
=38.29%

just on the flush.

so that basically means that you fold becuase it not 50% or greater.
or, you call if he bets less than 61.71% of the existing pot.

i best be right, lol. Otherwise iv been wasing my time.