VMVarga
Rock Star
Silver Level
This recent hand just baffled me. This player, someone who only plays the Casino org freeroll for some reason, stunned me with just how incoherent his play actually was.
I am in SB (75/150) with 8c9d. Short stacked with 12 blinds, about 70 placed away from the bubble.
Our genius limps with KhKs from 2+UTG. He has about 25 blinds.
It folds to me and I call. BB checks.
Flop comes 5h7c10h
I make a 3/4 pot bet, BB folds, and our genius flat calls!
Turn is the Ace of hearts, and because I am short stacked with this open ender, I have no fold equity and checking would allow the genius to simply bet and steal the pot, as almost any bet would push me all in. So I feel like the only real move I have is to jam, which is what I do. He snap calls.
He turns over KK, and I am so confused I don't even really see the 2c peel off on the river and knock me out.
I don't fault his final move as much as I would have, or as much as I would like to, because he did have the K of hearts, and my all in was more like a 2/3 pot bet. But everything else is just so bizarre to me.
Limping from such an early position? Flat calling the flop bet on that board--which was about as bad as it could get for him by the time the turn came? And calling my all in when I could have easily had him beat with any Ax or any suited connectors--and my SB limp range could include me having two pair with a suited 57 or T7?
I honestly believe he would have called the all in if it had been for his whole stack, instead of the ineffectual shove that it turned out to be, because his only thought process was "I have kings, I will not fold."
This is the type of player who sits and waits for AA or KK to show up, and never sees past the flop unless he catches a set or aces up with AK/AQ, and even then he only see 4th and 5th street as they rip past on the way to showdown. He is the type who feels that those KKs and AAs entitle him to the pot, and as a result of the universe owing him every pot in every hand where he has AA or KK, he vows to never, ever fold those hands, even when the board is showing three or four other hands that could crush his little pair of KK; he can't even fold when there are abundant indications that his single pair of kings are no longer good.
Is it just me, or is this hand one fine example of how NOT to play kings? Sure, he won this pot, but just how many times will this line of his succeed in taking down the pot for him? I have a very hard time imagining that such a line will ever pay off enough to not be a colossal mistake. The risk to reward ratio is way off, and pretty much the only time he will ever get paid off from that line is when this exact set of circumstances aligns just right once again (remember, my winning hand will arrive on the turn 32% of the time and on the river 13% of the time), and who the hell knows when that will be?
Anyway, if you read the whole post, thanks for sticking around to hear me complain.
I am in SB (75/150) with 8c9d. Short stacked with 12 blinds, about 70 placed away from the bubble.
Our genius limps with KhKs from 2+UTG. He has about 25 blinds.
It folds to me and I call. BB checks.
Flop comes 5h7c10h
I make a 3/4 pot bet, BB folds, and our genius flat calls!
Turn is the Ace of hearts, and because I am short stacked with this open ender, I have no fold equity and checking would allow the genius to simply bet and steal the pot, as almost any bet would push me all in. So I feel like the only real move I have is to jam, which is what I do. He snap calls.
He turns over KK, and I am so confused I don't even really see the 2c peel off on the river and knock me out.
I don't fault his final move as much as I would have, or as much as I would like to, because he did have the K of hearts, and my all in was more like a 2/3 pot bet. But everything else is just so bizarre to me.
Limping from such an early position? Flat calling the flop bet on that board--which was about as bad as it could get for him by the time the turn came? And calling my all in when I could have easily had him beat with any Ax or any suited connectors--and my SB limp range could include me having two pair with a suited 57 or T7?
I honestly believe he would have called the all in if it had been for his whole stack, instead of the ineffectual shove that it turned out to be, because his only thought process was "I have kings, I will not fold."
This is the type of player who sits and waits for AA or KK to show up, and never sees past the flop unless he catches a set or aces up with AK/AQ, and even then he only see 4th and 5th street as they rip past on the way to showdown. He is the type who feels that those KKs and AAs entitle him to the pot, and as a result of the universe owing him every pot in every hand where he has AA or KK, he vows to never, ever fold those hands, even when the board is showing three or four other hands that could crush his little pair of KK; he can't even fold when there are abundant indications that his single pair of kings are no longer good.
Is it just me, or is this hand one fine example of how NOT to play kings? Sure, he won this pot, but just how many times will this line of his succeed in taking down the pot for him? I have a very hard time imagining that such a line will ever pay off enough to not be a colossal mistake. The risk to reward ratio is way off, and pretty much the only time he will ever get paid off from that line is when this exact set of circumstances aligns just right once again (remember, my winning hand will arrive on the turn 32% of the time and on the river 13% of the time), and who the hell knows when that will be?
Anyway, if you read the whole post, thanks for sticking around to hear me complain.
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