Winning Live-Losing Online (Vice-Versa)

Do you guys think it is common for a player to be better than another or completely stink at one and be very good at another, Mike Matusow said in an interview something like he was losing in mixed games online and was surprised at how this was happening online only and that he then found out people were using huds etc. So obviously not all players are good at both formats but what do you guys think is the reason for this if true in your opinion?

HUDs can give a player a pretty good advantage over another who doesn't have one or doesn't know how to use it. When you play online you should vary your play enough to negate the HUD. This can be hard because you have to change your line pretty quickly and often to adjust.

The main difference is how you gather information. Online you have recognize betting patterns. Live you have that and physical tells. I make a lot more live because I brought what I learned online and developed my physical reads. If you suck at getting physical tells then it probably won't make a difference.

For reasons stated above, online and live are completely different. But there's also the aspect of game pace, quality of opponent, and game pace. In low stakes live, you'll play against so many casual, gambling players who don't really have an understanding of the game and its odds, and many of these players aren't willing to sit and fold junk for 2+ hours and will play almost any two cards. To a good player, live can be such a grind at times. Since you see so many less hands per hour, being card dead can seem never ending.

I'm not a very good online player myself. I find it kind of boring, but that's just me. I'm much better in live games and love seeing faces instead of names, chips instead of numbers, and cards instead of images.

When I first started playing online, I sucked, even though I own at live play. I had to adapt by being looser with high hands and tighter overall.

Online is just more aggressive in nature and more competition because of the vast player pool.

Everyone keeps getting better and learning from others, so they game has gotten a lot tougher. In live play you see a lot less hands, and don't learn as quickly.

I prefer live play overall, but both def have their + and -.

I hate HUDS and think they ruin the game.To me it isn't even poker , it is reading a computer and basically betting the way it tells you you should bet.

I will never use a HUD and rather watch myself improve from my own observations and reads.

Carl Trooper said:

Online is just more aggressive in nature and more competition because of the vast player pool.

Everyone keeps getting better and learning from others, so they game has gotten a lot tougher. In live play you see a lot less hands, and don't learn as quickly.

I prefer live play overall, but both def have their + and -.

I hate HUDS and think they ruin the game.To me it isn't even poker , it is reading a computer and basically betting the way it tells you you should bet.

I will never use a HUD and rather watch myself improve from my own observations and reads.

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Yeah but not using a HUD is giving away a big edge you could have on those who don't use them or don't think they need one, My only wonder though is if everyone keeps getting better what will the future be like? The fish will leave and the games will become break-even long term and you the good players will now be the fish and just generating overall rake and giving money to the site, that is what really worries me

bernotas22 said:

Yeah but not using a HUD is giving away a big edge you could have on those who don't use them or don't think they need one, My only wonder though is if everyone keeps getting better what will the future be like? The fish will leave and the games will become break-even long term and you the good players will now be the fish and just generating overall rake and giving money to the site, that is what really worries me

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Fish will never leave the game completely. Due to the combination of variance and the Dunning Kruger Effect, there will always be plenty of people that RADICALLY overestimate their skill level.

I wouldn't worry about it since there's nothing you can do about it anyway.

-HooDooKoo

How could he not know people were using huds.

bernotas22 said:

Yeah but not using a HUD is giving away a big edge you could have on those who don't use them or don't think they need one, My only wonder though is if everyone keeps getting better what will the future be like? The fish will leave and the games will become break-even long term and you the good players will now be the fish and just generating overall rake and giving money to the site, that is what really worries me

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For this to even be a possibility the game of poker would have to be perfected because yes its true people keep getting better including fish but the pros are also getting better and will keep doing so till their mind goes or till poker hits the ceiling and becomes perfected

I am much better live than I am online.

My memory works so much better with faces. I am decent at picking up physical tells. And there is a lot to be said for "timing" and "rhythm" that you get a feel for live that just doesn't happen online.

For instance, If I raised a guys BB and he was really conflicted about whether or not to call, then gave me suspicious, dirty looks before he mucked, I know that next time I raise his blinds he'll be more likely to call or 3-Bet if he has anything. I can use that info to my advantage.

Likewise, if a guy has been flirting with me all night and staying out of my way in pots I play, I can exploit that by 3-betting him with a wide range.

are two different playing live and playing online, you have to have a well-studied gestures ie online tells and what most players almost pro .. use it and have sore benefit those who do not use .. I agree not to use it. would have to cancel as it would be more even in the online tables ..

I believe there are much better players online than live games in the same level, excluding the hud. Nowadays, there are lots of regular players who want to to well in poker and study and practice a lot. I don't know how many of the casual live players do this

HooDooKoo said:

Fish will never leave the game completely. Due to the combination of variance and the Dunning Kruger Effect, there will always be plenty of people that RADICALLY overestimate their skill level.

I wouldn't worry about it since there's nothing you can do about it anyway.

-HooDooKoo

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Most people on the planet know that you can't beat slot machines over the long run, but the seats are always occupied......

AcesUp747 said:

Most people on the planet know that you can't beat slot machines over the long run, but the seats are always occupied......

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You have RADICALLY overestimated both the intelligence and the reasoning ability of the average human. RADICALLY.

-HooDooKoo

AcesUp747 said:

Most people on the planet know that you can't beat slot machines over the long run, but the seats are always occupied......

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That's because people at the slot machines aren't looking to win in the long run there looking to hit big.. A lot of slot machine players are actually rich people having fun (still looking to win ofc)

Well I shouldn't say a lot but there is the majority of them that are, other people just prefer luck over skill games for fun

S3mper said:

That's because people at the slot machines aren't looking to win in the long run there looking to hit big.. A lot of slot machine players are actually rich people having fun (still looking to win ofc)

Well I shouldn't say a lot but there is the majority of them that are, other people just prefer luck over skill games for fun

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I actually think the vast majority of slot players are degenerate gamblers for the most part.

loafes said:

I actually think the vast majority of slot players are degenerate gamblers for the most part.

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You are actually probably right and I agree with you. I don't understand it when ever I'm walking towards the poker room and so many people on slots..

I play em too but only with promo money

S3mper said:

That's because people at the slot machines aren't looking to win in the long run there looking to hit big.. A lot of slot machine players are actually rich people having fun (still looking to win ofc)

Well I shouldn't say a lot but there is the majority of them that are, other people just prefer luck over skill games for fun

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loafes said:

I actually think the vast majority of slot players are degenerate gamblers for the most part.

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Yeah, rich people are actually the minority among slot players. That's actually a common argument against legalizing gambling in some regions: poor people will spend the little money they have at the casino. I think it's a sh*t argument, but that's just my opinion and an entirely different topic...

loafes said:

I actually think the vast majority of slot players are degenerate gamblers for the most part.

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For sure.

They don't have to look anyone in the eye as they feed into the machine their last $20 for diapers/baby food/medication/etc.

AcesUp747 said:

Most people on the planet know that you can't beat slot machines over the long run, but the seats are always occupied......

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but but...

SOMEONE WILL WIN THE JACKPOT EVENTUALLY

bernotas22 said:

Yeah but not using a HUD is giving away a big edge you could have on those who don't use them or don't think they need one, My only wonder though is if everyone keeps getting better what will the future be like? The fish will leave and the games will become break-even long term and you the good players will now be the fish and just generating overall rake and giving money to the site, that is what really worries me

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The bottom line is there in NO 100% correct way to play, so the game just can never be "beaten". People will have standard ways of playing and then people will adapt and try new strategies.

It def seems like it has been at a plateau for a while which sucks, but I think once online poker is back 100% in the US another big boom happens.

online poker is tougher - like if you want to earn your coin on pokerstars your in for a tough time $200NL and onwards and in the big tournaments

Local casino I think any winning online player would destroy the field they are just so advanced and see much more action and have more experience.

its a case of either picking off donks or hammering clams (no disrespect to them as people) just as poker players.

last time I played a live sit n go I was horrified

I think huds are ok..because we all are able to use one its if we chose to use it

having an hud tell you every street that a player folds makes it a whole different ball game