Why?

Why do the majority of people playing online.
1. Constantly over-bet.
2. Constantly go all-in.
3. And promote over aggressive play.

This is constantly done especially in free-rolls and low-limit games. I have come to the conclusion that the people that are doing this just don't give a damn about playing hold-em. They just want to walk all over other people that are just trying to have a good time. All these people do is ruin it for others. I have seen many sites (and vids on you-tube) promoting this type of behavior. And actually having the audacity to charge others to teach them how to do this.

To those of you that practice this sort of behavior I say. Grow up, get a real life and move out of your parents basement for Gods sake. If you have so much money to walk all over others in low no-limit games, then move up. I swear, I have seen soooo many of these fools that I feel that playing hold-em online just is not worth the time. It's no fun anymore.

I've even seen one fool teaching others to constantly go all-in in re-buys and just keep re-buying. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!! This is not poker, this is just being ignorant and I'm sure that people like Doyle Brunson would not approve.

I'm sure some (if not many) of you are going to say that I'm just whining. That it's just low-limit games or it's just a free-roll and free-rolls don't mean anything. To which I respond. If this is the case then why the hell are playing in these games? Go find games that (in your opinion) do mean something.

I know I'm going to piss a lot of people off with this but guess what? I DON"T GIVE A DAMN!!!!! After all, you don't give a damn about ruining other peoples good time. Why the hell should I care about pissing you off?

Oh I agree with you these all in donks are playing on all luck. Poker is a game of skill and luck, But i have been at tables with these type of only luck players.........they can be annoying...good luck at the tables

dlw610 said:

Why do the majority of people playing online.
1. Constantly over-bet.

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I'm not sure what you consider over betting. I really don't see a lot of over betting. So it really depends on what you think over betting is. I know a lot of new players still think in terms of the blinds when playing post flop, which is an error. You should be making bets in terms of the size of the pot.

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2. Constantly go all-in.

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Pretty standard in low level donkaments, not much you can do here. After the first few levels most of the idiots are gone and it's not an issue any more.

Again it depends on what you are talking about. If it's later in a tournament and your M is less than ten, then you have to shove. Most the low limit MTT's and freerolls structures almost make the late stages of the tournament a shove fest do to the blinds increasing so fast. If you are playing turbos this will happen even sooner.

dlw610 said:

3. And promote over aggressive play.

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Playing aggressive poker is winning poker. However, that doesn't mean to play for stacks every hand and a lot of players don't understand that.

dlw610 said:

This is constantly done especially in free-rolls and low-limit games. I have come to the conclusion that the people that are doing this just don't give a damn about playing hold-em. They just want to walk all over other people that are just trying to have a good time. All these people do is ruin it for others. I have seen many sites (and vids on you-tube) promoting this type of behavior. And actually having the audacity to charge others to teach them how to do this.

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I guess if you don't like how the game is played, you shouldn't be playing. If you just wait for AA,KK,QQ and AK, you are never going to win. All the advice out there on the net isn't always good advice. I suggest posting actual links to videos as examples of "promoting this type of behavior."

dlw610 said:

To those of you that practice this sort of behavior I say. Grow up, get a real life and move out of your parents basement for Gods sake. If you have so much money to walk all over others in low no-limit games, then move up. I swear, I have seen soooo many of these fools that I feel that playing hold-em online just is not worth the time. It's no fun anymore.

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Again, you are not going to change how people play the game. So either take the time to adjust your game and find a way to combat their play or quit playing.

dlw610 said:

I've even seen one fool teaching others to constantly go all-in in re-buys and just keep re-buying. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!! This is not poker, this is just being ignorant and I'm sure that people like Doyle Brunson would not approve.

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You do want to get your stack in a lot more playing in rebuys. The idea is to build a large stack early so you have the chips to play with in later rounds, if you do bust, you can always rebuy. Shoving every hand is not the way to do that. However, I would be extremely happy if someone was at my table doing that.

Doyle Brunson did win the wsop ME with T2 off suit.

dlw610 said:

I'm sure some (if not many) of you are going to say that I'm just whining. That it's just low-limit games or it's just a free-roll and free-rolls don't mean anything. To which I respond. If this is the case then why the hell are playing in these games? Go find games that (in your opinion) do mean something.

I know I'm going to piss a lot of people off with this but guess what? I DON"T GIVE A DAMN!!!!! After all, you don't give a damn about ruining other peoples good time. Why the hell should I care about pissing you off?

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Eh, I wouldn't say this would piss anyone off. However, I don't think you have a good understanding of poker. Terrible players making terrible plays is what you want, it makes turning a profit easier. It just sucks when they suck out on you. It can be very frustrating at times and it's obvious that you are frustrated right now.

However, to the poker newbie some plays that seem questionable, sometimes aren't due to things such as stack sizes, blinds, M ratio, position, player tendencies, ICM ect.

Welcome to CC!!!

Bout the best reply your gonna get OP is what TPC just told you. Good response to the new fella imo. Some responses in there never hurt to read over even when youve been playing a while. Good stuff.

welcome to CC.

fwiw i look for tables with droolers like these cause they = PROFITz. you just have to learn how to play them. the beauty about it is that they dont even notice you folding hand after hand and the you get them... POW, right in the kisser.

lots of good info on CC so search it out and learn as i have done.

good luck.

Ummm..I think your outlook is slightly strange. Yes, the play at those limits is sometimes pretty bad. Isn't that a good thing? I wish I could sit down at 200NL and have maniacs pushing all-in every other hand with junk - I'd be a very rich man.

What is it exactly that you want from the game? For everyone to agree to a standard set of rules - where you're not allowed to overbet/go all-in/be aggressive? People can play poker any way they choose. You can't get angry just because they're not playing the game the way you want it to be played. Learn how to exploit those players, how to adapt your game to beat their game.

And perhaps if you're having such a miserable time, you should consider just....not playing.

You are going to come across every strategy in every level. You can play tight aggressive like Dan Harrington, Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson, or you can play loose aggressive like Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan and Patrik Antonius. Over agressive can only be defined by the table and game situation. If you are at a table full of nits at the bubble raising every hand is a positive ev strategy.

TPC pretty much nailed it. This is the norm in low/micro stakes. These are the people you make money off of as long as you can leave your ego at the door and exploit theirs.

I'm really hoping the OP isn't entirely serious.

Also have to agree with TPC. As someone who has played numerous freerolls and continues to play microstakes. I find there are two types of aggressive. The donks who I love because it's easy money , and me betting over the top because I have the edge and I know I'll get called.

There is a third kind of aggressive I like that I use very rarely which is to try and take someone out of the table. It's basic logic that if no new money gets injected into a ring game all the chips wind up leaving as rake so it's imdo incumbent upon everyone to try and take a short stack out and bring fresh chips to the table. For this reason I will try and not give cheap looks to a short stacker if I think I can bust them out....sometimes.

Classic and to the point answer from TPC. How long have u been playing DLW610? Live or online? Casino or home game? I have played a fair amount of micro stakes games, and if you play these or freerolls (especially) you must accept the fact that people will push with the strangest hands. If you want intelligent players that understand pot odds and respect bets and wont push with trash, you need to avoid micro stakes and freerolls. Or adjust your game and be happy so many idiots play like...uhh... well... idiots.

If you were taking poker more seriously yourself you would crush those limits.
Honestly if you can't beat the microstakes donks you won't be able to beat anyone at the higher levels.

no one ever explained to you how to play poker

No disrespect intended here.. but the OP's avatar looks like his mugshot.

I like my mother's basement.

just dont shank me and ill be happy mr.scary looking florida man.

tookie21 said:

I like my mother's basement.

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I made so much overbetting and shoving noobs that I bought my mothers house and moved her to the basement. She like it there, hi def TV and AC with a fireplace...

dlw610 said:

Why do the majority of people playing online.
1. Constantly over-bet.

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To punish those that limp in.

Makwa said:

I made so much overbetting and shoving noobs that I bought my mothers house and moved her to the basement. She like it there, hi def TV and AC with a fireplace...

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u r better than many.......

TheWall said:

I'm really hoping the OP isn't entirely serious.

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This is the internets. Everything is serious.



In which case, I offer the following serious answers to the question "why do people do these things":

1 - Because it works for a while, especially in games with weak-tight players
2 - For the lulz
3 - Because they don't know how to play any different
4 - Because they've heard loads of professional players recommend a similar strategy or seen them employ it on TV
5 - For more lulz
6 - Because it's a freeroll, and therefore #2 or #5

Welcome to CC dlw610

In a nutshell, thats the nature and whole premise of online poker, the next tournament is just a click away. Especially freerolls.

3. And promote over aggressive play.

What exactly is "over" aggressive play.

Aggressive play is aggressive play

dlw610 said:

I know I'm going to piss a lot of people off with this but guess what? I DON"T GIVE A DAMN!!!!! After all, you don't give a damn about ruining other peoples good time. Why the hell should I care about pissing you off?

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I think you are not getting your intended audience here at CC.......
( I am assuming you are directing this statement at idiots who go all in with 2 4 os and such..., which most players here will tend to avoid, unless its me and I am playing - sigh, again - after drinking)