What is your opinion about Rat-Holing?

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I think the use of the rat as a description in the term speaks volumes.
 
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I think the use of the rat as a description in the term speaks volumes.

+1

And this quote directly from the article is good too:

In a live-poker setting, that player would either be asked to leave the room, or get their face pounded.

I was at a casino where seating was assigned, and once you left a table, you had to wait a minimum of 60 minutes before being reassigned, regardless of the number of people in the poker room and thought it to be a stupid rule.

That was before I knew this "Rat Holing" practice existed. Now, IMHO, we have no choice but to agree with the regulations.
 
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It's a scummy thing to do but thankfully most sites have put a time limit on this to prevent it.
 
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Does anyone know what the issue was that they encountered when they just tried to roll it out?
 
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I suspect the only people who like rat-holing are the ones who do it. For everyone else, it's a matter of how much they dislike it.
 
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I knew this as doing a hit, run and return :) But it is lowest of the low and a real pussy act!
 
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Thanks for the update. I had not heard of thsi practice.
 
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its low and ruins the game , i think we can all agree on that
 
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the rat-holing comes from the NL game only
old days, people play limited, think that is no problem for rat-holing.
cos even you left with 100BB,you could not ...put them all in in one hand.
but NL holdem it brings problem...anyway, no choice for regulation.

PS: I really don't think that this works for online cash games.
pokerstars is 100% Not the only poker room to play with real money.
regs has more choice. in some case, I do think some poker room which wants players, will not follow the step of stars, and even the stars which has a hug traffic , could do this, simply because stars have traffic, if they have only 3K totally player...I do not believe that stars will put regulations like this like that.


BTW: If rat holing is a strategy, I don't mind player use against me, cos, yeah, the rat-holing player may hit and run, but he may potentially lost the chance to triple up or win even bigger pot; and if he is going to lose, he is still going to lose.
LOL
 
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It seems like a pretty lame thing to do and I agree somewhat with the aggression towards such players. I think the time limit of 15-20 minutes would be good enough. The reason is that they can only jump so many tables and if they don't have a big bank role, that will happen quite quickly and I'm guessing most of them don't do due their reasoning in jumping.

Another reason that it shouldn't be much higher than that is not in our interest but the interest of the sites. They need players to continously keep playing in order for their site to continue to pay their bills and satisfy their players.
 
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If it is possible add money, why it is not possible withdraw your winnings? If I won a huge pot I could leave the room with my money.
 
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I knew this as doing a hit, run and return :) But it is lowest of the low and a real pussy act!
Have you ever paused to consider that attitudes like this probably encourage rat-holers to continue because they know it pisses people like you off and think this works to their advantage?
 
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Such player has an awful lot but it either The sooner lose their minimum profit will be played strange as me
 
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I agree with Taas because in the end it is your money to do with what you want, isn't it? Now i normally don't play cash tables so i really have no dog in this fight but i would think it works both ways. For all those that hate "rat holing" do you also hate it when a newb or bad players loses a big pot to you and goes broke so then he or she has to go get more funds to keep playing ? I bet you don't mind when that happens as that way you can take even more of his money right, so if someone wins your money it should be ok for them to take it and run also, imho
 
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I played NL cash on PS years ago and I could of sworn that if I won some chips from the table, left, and then tried to come back to the same table I had to bring the amount of money I left with. I could be mistaken on that. I also know that if I went to a different table I didn't need to bring the money I won....which of course is the problem here.

I'm a bit surprised PS cant come up with a way to avoid rat holing. I guess it could be difficult to avoid players from exploiting it. For instance, if you were not allowed to leave a table with winnings and then sit at another with the minimum buy in, then a player will just sit at say 5 tables or more with min buy ins, and once they get profit at one table, they could leave and still be playing at countless others with min buy in etc
 
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I cant imagine how somebody is doing this in live poker. I think If its not possible to act like this in live play, It shouldnt be possible online too.
 
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if pokerstars creates tables in which you need at least 100 bb to enter, then rat holing would be useless as you will have to re enter again with at least 100 bb which is a lot. personally i dont see anything bad with it as you can leave a table whenever you wanted and you can re enter with the shortest stack if you want to. it would be smarter as i said to create tables with a 100 or 50 bb minimum to avoid rat holing.
 
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If it's not something that you'd do at a live casino, then it's probably pretty scummy. Nuff said.
 
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. For all those that hate "rat holing" do you also hate it when a newb or bad players loses a big pot to you and goes broke so then he or she has to go get more funds to keep playing ? I bet you don't mind when that happens as that way you can take even more of his money right, so if someone wins your money it should be ok for them to take it and run also, imho

It seems like poker already has rules, and making new ones just because you lost a pot is..... well , not how i see it.
 
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Does anyone know what the issue was that they encountered when they just tried to roll it out?

Software didn't perform properly.

Also, I know they banned several 'rat-holing' types recently who were long-time players at PokerStars
 
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Software didn't perform properly.



Also, I know they banned several 'rat-holing' types recently who were long-time players at PokerStars
Software was probably from your company "Acme". LOL Couldn't resist.
 
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rat holing?????

i think i understand now what rat holing is,seems to me if i go to a cash game with $1 and intend on doubling it,i would leave if i achieved my goal on the first hand.then go to another table with a dollar is this rat holing?no one has to bet other than the blinds so its still up 2 you to bet or not.maybe i dont fully understand the concept.
 
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When I read the article, it seems that the they do have a rathole requirement for individual tables, but PS has so many tables that someone can just move to a different table. I'm fine with this. Rathole times are good for an individual table, but I don't think their should be rules about going to other tables. As another poster pointed out, the min stacked player won't be able to maximize profits if they hit a good hand, so they are hurting themselves more than they are hurting other players.
 
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Let's say you are at a live casino playing $2/$5 NLHE and you buy in with $200. After an hour or so, you have worked your way up to about $350 when you get in a monster hand with another guy who just bought in for the maximum $500. He shoves and you win the hand, doubling up to more than $700 in winnings. How much longer do you have to play before you could leave the table and not have everybody accuse you of rat-holing? I prefer tourneys to cash games, so I have never seen this, but I'm just wondering. Is there some sort of etiquette that you have to play a minimum number of hands before you can leave with big winnings?
 
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