What percent of poker is luck?

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Ok guys... I was Just wondering... As you know sometimes in games... We get the money in good... And after that its out of our hands. It is in the hands of the gods. Sometimes... No matter how well you play a hand... You will still lose. So my question is... What Is the skill to luck ratio for the game? Just wondering what you all think...

PS: don't say more luck than skill or I will behead u ;)
 
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IMO lucky is 50% and skills 50%., because we don't know what flop will be on the board. It is element of lucky in this game. We still have to wait on good cards. No matter how good you are, you have to have good cards on a hand and on the board. 50% skill - sometimes I and other people make some mistakes, and it is situation when you have to take advantage of weaker player.
 
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Depends on the interval in question. Over a large enough sample it's all skill. over ONE instance though...

-over one PFAI hand it's something like 75% luck.
-Over one average cash hand it can be anywhere between 30 and 60% luck, depending on how thinly you play and your skill gap to your villains (a solid, nitty 19/17 TAG at a table full of fish might rely as little as 20% per hand on luck).
-over one STT it's probably 50-60%-ish luck.
-over one MTT it's seriously something like 90% luck or more, which is why I hate MTTs. :p You just cannot avoid being all-in preflop a dozen times over the course of a tourney, and the odds of winning ALL those flips (or even just enough to stay alive) are massively stacked against you.
 
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all of it the cards are dealt randomly to players go all in
 
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sorry I really don't know what im talking about but I have 19 posts and going for 20 I should start putting some quality in my posts though I actually like to read a lot but yea I like to play very loose and don't listen to my instincts at the 100 million level and you should not raise just cause your on the button I hate giving advice cause I hate my my completion gets better I mean competition but actually all the games dried up around town its really hard game to beat you know with the rake and all so you shouldn't go there trust me ok
 
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Poker is a luck when you have only 2 outs to win, when you have higher straight than your opponent, when you have better full house than him etc. for example this is lucky, because it situation runner runner:
I saw all wsop 2010, Candio was on a tilt and make a stupid move.
 
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The most obvious application of luck is being behind and sucking out, but honestly that's not all the luck there is to poker. Being dealt good hands is a matter of luck. Your villains being dealt subpar hands so that they fold when you steal is also a matter of luck. What's NOT luck is ultimately how you navigate all those luck spots, and whether you lose less from runbad and win more from rungood over the long run. Otherwise, if you're losing you're running bad and if you're winning you're running good.
 
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This is luck. Very nice hand and the man just blow up on the river. he jump around and so happy... that is luck:)
 
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i think poker is 80% luck 20% skill MAX, the skill percent just gets lower depending on player
 
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Man for me 70% Luck, when you have nothing, and 100% skills when you have!
 
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Think of poker this way. Replace "luck" with "random chance", same thing but different, and it might give you fewer headaches or bouts of depression when that one-outer hits on the river.

It likes lightning, you're statistically unlikely to get hit by it, but given enough time, it's possible.
 
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This is luck. Very nice hand and the man just blow up on the river. he jump around and so happy... that is luck:)


Poker is about 60-70% luck and 30-40% skill...
Many pots you can win with bluff... If we speak about all poker. Badugi is lucky game... you come card or don't come... holdem is skill game, there need luck but you bluff many times... that is skill... all- in is luck...
 
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Take a roulette wheel, put it in front of you, and cover it so nobody can see the result of the spin. Now give each player at the poker table one of the same covered wheels. Everyone gets to spin it at the same time and peak only at his or her wheel when it stops. Now start betting on who has the bigger d*ck.

That's poker.
 
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I think the skill pans out more over the luck run and I disagree that the all ins are luck because if I get it in with best hand over long run I will profit and that's not luck its simple math......I know luck is part of the game but skills have a lot to do with profit
 
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Take a roulette wheel, put it in front of you, and cover it so nobody can see the result of the spin. Now give each player at the poker table one of the same covered wheels. Everyone gets to spin it at the same time and peak only at his or her wheel when it stops. Now start betting on who has the bigger d*ck.

That's poker.

I don't think so... In pokerstars all players aren't strong... someon wait good cards and someon just call with some shits and he come draww and than combination... it's not rullet... it's just test... you can win them or lost. think how play and watch them... allways watch were they play and whatch how they play... that is esier to think how play...
 
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u cant compare roulette to poker....its way more skill involved in poker....all this luck talk makes me think some of yall have the wrong outlook on the game....luck is involved but its not all about getting luck....why do you think we have hand ranking because certain hands win more and are stronger than others....nothing to do with luck in my opinion
 
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I would say that is rate of 75% skill and 25% luck , but sometimes luck can be decisive.
 
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In cash games, more skill is required, in MTTs, more luck is required. It all depends on the situation, there is no "standard" answer.
 
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i think poker is 80% luck 20% skill MAX, the skill percent just gets lower depending on player

U seriously think that? I have always thought that it was like 70% skill... 30% luck
 
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U seriously think that? I have always thought that it was like 70% skill... 30% luck
eh, it's more like 51% skill or so on average, depending on format. The more variance a format has the more luck-based it is.
 
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Luck and skill are involed in every hand u play. Its up to ur skill how many influence luck will have. U can fold every hand to minimize the influence, Or u can go all in every hand to maximize the influence of luck. Pius Heinz, for example played only 3 all in Hands before the final table of wsop 2012.
 
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if ur playing cash ,its 90% skill and then 10% tilt.
 
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