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so I made a deposit at Lock Poker two nights ago for $50. I decided not to play the gay microstake of .02/.05, .05/.10 anymore because there are too many donks that play loose and gets paid off. So I tried a different method, I moved up to .10/.25, .25/50. I know I'm not following the sacred rule of needing 200 BB to move up, but I can't take the micro bad beats anymore. Well the result turned out to good. Day 2 I'm at $136 ($11 on the $20k GTD Freezeout). I'm scared at the same time I'm not. If you are a bankroll pro or a poker pro help me out here. What is the best way to increase my bankroll?
 
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Trolls are welcome. This is a honest question from a young poker learning student.
 
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If you continue to play above reasonable BRM you will go broke. You want to have at least 20 buyins at the level you're playing at so minimum $500 for .10/.25 or $1000 for .25/.50.

Good luck and welcome to CC.
 
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I understand, but Microstakes are almost impossible to beat. I don't consider myself a bad player. I started to use Poker Tracker 3 and I think I'm starting to understand the game better. I am not trying to win a lot of money fast, I feel very confident in .25/50 (I play 1/2 sometimes 2/5 live).
 
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I'm damn sure not a pro,and i'm damn sure not a BRM pro.
But doing this YOU WILL LOSE IT ALL!!!!!!!

Also there is no sacred rule of 200BB of moving up that only 400bb's which = only 4bi's and you will go broke doing that as well.
 
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I understand, but Microstakes are almost impossible to beat.see below I don't consider myself a bad player. I started to use Poker Tracker 3 and I think I'm starting to understand the game better. I am not trying to win a lot of money fast, I feel very confident in .25/50 (I play 1/2 sometimes 2/5 live).
 
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If you can't beat the micros you won't be able to beat the higher levels either. I've seen countless new members come here and say the same things you're saying and they all went broke after a good starting run.

I would advise you to take the boost you've got from your winnings so far and use it to start at .02/.04. What site are you playing on?
 
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, but I can't take the micro bad beats anymore.. I'm scared at the same time I'm not. If you are a bankroll pro or a poker pro help me out here. What is the best way to increase my bankroll?

Then poker isn't for you. Variance and bad beats are part of the game, if you can't take them, then poker really isn't for you.

Best way to increase your BR is to use proper an correct BR management, or if you can afford to reload $50 each time you bust your one buy-in then this can work as well. This is of course, assuming you can beat 50nl..Bare in mind though, if you can't take a bad beat for $2.00 at micros, then you're going to really struggle at taking a beat for $50.00 just as often, infact more so because players are better thus, you will be getting your chips in with less equity than you would be at the lower limits.

I understand, but Microstakes are almost impossible to beat. I don't consider myself a bad player. I started to use Poker Tracker 3 and I think I'm starting to understand the game better. I am not trying to win a lot of money fast, I feel very confident in .25/50 (I play 1/2 sometimes 2/5 live).

Micro stakes are not almost impossible to beat. Here is an example of how easy they are to beat:

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This ^^^^ Is a player from CC who plays primarily 2nl and 5nl.

Now, if you can't beat theses stakes, then you're not going to beat anything higher, fact.

If you don't consider yourself a bad player, yet say you can't beat microstakes, then I'm not being funny or rude but you are a player who will need to improve and is not ready to jump to 50nl and because ran good to win a couple of buy-ins think this will contiunue, it will not. The very best in the world, would lose your BR at 25nl/50nl no one can run THAT good where they won't lose a buy-in...that is impossible.

You also say you feel confident at 50nl, yet seem to not feel confident at 2nl?:eek:


If you genuinely believe you can beat 50nl then put $2500 minimum in your account and play with the suitable amount of cushion, it shouldn't be a problem if you're beating the game. The problem is as well is that you say you feel scared at the same time, what do you mean?


At the minute though pal this is only going to end in a busted BR UNLESS of course, you can reload your account every couple of days because you will and I can't reiterate enough, lose playing these limits with such BR mangament.
 
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Microstakes are not "almost impossible to beat". They are very easy to beat because of the bad players. You appear to already know about proper bankroll management. You are simply refusing to follow it and have run good initially.

Congratulations, but if you continue to play way above your bankroll you will go bust. Even if you are actually a good player (the micros comment would indicate otherwise but meh..) having only a couple of buy ins for a stake is a set up for disaster. You are only a couple of suck outs away from busto.

However, you clearly aren't looking for anything other than someone to tell you that you are doing the right thing. Its not my money so:

Awesome man. You should move up to 100NL immediately. The good players up there will understand your super tricky aggressive style. They are smart enough to know when to lay down their hand to a bluff. Move up and print money.
GOGOGO!
 
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The bad players are the ones that you want to seek out of the bunch, and milk the donks for all they are worth, i love it cuz the odds are always on my side even if i do lose!
 
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If you've got a basic grasp of poker, it's real hard to NOT make money playing micro stakes ring games.
also: at first you're talking about ring games with terrible BRM... then mention a tourney score.
For tournament play, unless you hit an extremely fortunat string of 'rungood', playing $10buyins with ~$100 bankroll is a recipe to go busto. Ideally you want 100-200buyins for Tournament play.
 
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Micros are the easiest to beat. If you can't beat then, you need to reanalyze your game. Loose players, tighten up. Walk the dog with them. Become a big calling station and kill them on the river.

Playing micros can be tough because your $/hour rate is going to be small, but ignore the $ at this point, concentrate on your BB/hour rate. Always concentrate on your BB/hour.

Variance is a bitch. Everyone will go broke if they don't start with enough buy ins.
 
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I understand all your talk about how micro can be beat. I play passive agressive, I know my game has flaws however whenever I play ( and Yes I checked all the hands I played on Poker Tracker) I get sucked out on Runner Runner or some bs 3 bet call that will never be done in higher stakes. I'm not saying I'm unlucky but rather series of misfortunate event that led me to this blow up. My quads were beaten twice by 1 outer straight flush. That's only the beginning
 
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I understand all your talk about how micro can be beat. I play passive agressive, I know my game has flaws however whenever I play ( and Yes I checked all the hands I played on Poker Tracker) I get sucked out on Runner Runner or some bs 3 bet call that will never be done in higher stakes. I'm not saying I'm unlucky but rather series of misfortunate event that led me to this blow up. My quads were beaten twice by 1 outer straight flush. That's only the beginning

lol.
 
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I understand all your talk about how micro can be beat. I play passive agressive, I know my game has flaws however whenever I play ( and Yes I checked all the hands I played on Poker Tracker) I get sucked out on Runner Runner or some bs 3 bet call that will never be done in higher stakes. I'm not saying I'm unlucky but rather series of misfortunate event that led me to this blow up. My quads were beaten twice by 1 outer straight flush. That's only the beginning
All I can say is three things:
1. hmmmmm
2. Good advice has been provided herein
3. Your choice, but interested in your feedback & results.
 
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I get sucked out on Runner Runner or some bs 3 bet call that will never be done in higher stakes. My quads were beaten twice by 1 outer straight flush.

You have to accept that the best hand doesn't always win, This is a very important lesson to learn, don't let it tilt you, try not to even think about it.

The results in these instances are irrelevant. This is exactly what you want — to get your money in when you are ahead. If you keep doing that, over time you will come out on top. This is what you want, this is why they are beatable. If they get lucky that's luck. If you keep getting them to put their money in when they are behind, that is winning play.

But, this is why you cannot move up — because you need those buy-ins behind you to ride the losing streaks.

Keep getting it in good, and you will beat the microstakes
 
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I understand all your talk about how micro can be beat. I play passive agressive, I know my game has flaws however whenever I play ( and Yes I checked all the hands I played on Poker Tracker) I get sucked out on Runner Runner or some bs 3 bet call that will never be done in higher stakes. I'm not saying I'm unlucky but rather series of misfortunate event that led me to this blow up. My quads were beaten twice by 1 outer straight flush. That's only the beginning

You just said you only recently got poker tracker, therefore unless you have 100,000+ hands, it's poinltess even looking at short term varence on hands being beaten. Over time, they straighten out, stop looking short term I know it can be hard not to do at times.

However, I've had quads beaten and straight flushes beaten before. The only hand that is unbeatable a royal flush, therefore if you don't like getting bad beats, then fold everything apart from royal flushes and you can't set yourself up for a bad beat, ever.
 
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You have leaks in your game that you are unaware of. Do a database analysis with a coach or run Leak Buster. Like others have said, the micros are beatable if you know what you are doing. If you can't beat them, you shouldn't move up.
 
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I welcome bad beats. If you are going to lose hands, those are the ones to lose. If you get as much money in as possible when you are the favorite and fold when you are not, it will pay off in the long run. People hitting 1 or 2 out hands are the ones who will lose.
 
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No real need to get a coach at this point in the game.
Take a screen shoot of your stats via position and post in here.

Sorry but i had to chuckle when you said you play passive agg
 
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Micro stakes

Micro stakes can get very boring but even with bad beats and occasional bad runs you will make money over time playing good poker. I did the same thing you did initially (moved up quickly, won a bit, lost it all). With your money now you would be better off just playing a lot of .02/.04 games in the long run.
Not that I'm an expert, just my two cents.
 
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If you continue to play above reasonable BRM you will go broke. You want to have at least 20 buyins at the level you're playing at so minimum $500 for .10/.25 or $1000 for .25/.50.

Good luck and welcome to CC.

This.
 
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As I was told when i began to play, time will tell. You might be good or lucky it doesn't matter, playing scared or above your level is foolish. It might cause problems in your game in the long run. It"ll cause you to play different, give you different habits that might inhibit your game in the future. Practice makes perfect. Learning micros will teach you skills that you might not learn or understand if you jump ahead. It takes a number of hands played to understand the many aspects of the game. Also the skills necessary to be a successful player.
 
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I like to play sng. It is less stressful than ring games. Your loss is limited in SNG, and everyone starts out with the same bankroll, leveling out the field.
 
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The better you are , the more bad beats you will get ?
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