What was biggest lay down?

oogadgetoo · May 24, 2009

I’m interested in finding out what the biggest lay down you have made is?

The reason I ask is I folded KK in a live cash game pre flop last night to AA and QQ after betting $100 OTB and was raised to $400 by the BB. It got me thinking and I wanted to know what your biggest lay down ever was?
My biggest fold ever I think has to be bottom set with 55 on a A75 rainbow flop. I had a good read on the player as I have played with them many times before. I only lost $55 in a $5BB/$5SB cash game. With $400 odd behind me. He showed me AA

CardConnoisseur · May 25, 2009

Haha, funny you mention that. I had a poket game (omaha) where it was $100-$200 (I was staked), and I had pocket 5s. Opponent had pocket aces. I don't remember how betting went, but on the turn another 5 came, and around the river, I took him all in (he had lots of chips in the pot and I put him on a full), and after taking like 50 seconds to think about it, he folded it to me and showed me the aces. I mucked my hand and smiled, although was hurting... Sometimes people make amazing reads.

zachvac · May 25, 2009

CardConnoisseur said:
Haha, funny you mention that. I had a poket game (omaha) where it was $100-$200 (I was staked), and I had pocket 5s. Opponent had pocket aces. I don't remember how betting went, but on the turn another 5 came, and around the river, I took him all in (he had lots of chips in the pot and I put him on a full), and after taking like 50 seconds to think about it, he folded it to me and showed me the aces. I mucked my hand and smiled, although was hurting... Sometimes people make amazing reads.

Wait 100-200 as in 20k buy-in? Also in Omaha just an overpair is pretty bad but you didn't give any action or history.

Oh my best laydown:

MP2: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $112.35 (112.4 bb)
CO: $103.05 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $110.55 (110.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $120.25 (120.3 bb)
BB: $100.30 (100.3 bb)
MP1: $99.80 (99.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

A

MP1 raises to $2, 5 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 9

5

Q

(2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($4.50) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $3, MP1 raises to $7, BB calls $4

River: ($18.50) K

(2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks

Results: $18.50 pot ($0.90 rake)
BB showed 9

Q

(two pairs, Queens and Nines) and lost (-$9 net)
MP1 showed Q

T

(a flush, King high) and won $17.60 ($8.60 net)

BelgoSuisse · May 25, 2009

zachvac said:
MP2: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $112.35 (112.4 bb)
CO: $103.05 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $110.55 (110.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $120.25 (120.3 bb)
BB: $100.30 (100.3 bb)
MP1: $99.80 (99.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

A

MP1 raises to $2, 5 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 9

5

Q

(2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($4.50) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $3, MP1 raises to $7, BB calls $4

River: ($18.50) K

(2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks

Results: $18.50 pot ($0.90 rake)
BB showed 9

Q

(two pairs, Queens and Nines) and lost (-$9 net)
MP1 showed Q

T

(a flush, King high) and won $17.60 ($8.60 net)

Too much time spent on table selection and too little time spent on not folding AA preflop, imo. But i have to admit the table selection really is brilliant.

kevkojak · May 25, 2009

No-one folds KK pre-flop.
Is it just me who thinks that was an awful play?
Even against AA you have a 20% chance of outdrawing...and thats the absolute worst case scenario.
If you didn't have the balls to ship your chips into the pot pre flop with the 2nd best possible starting hand then you were playing out of your depth imo. Sorry.

oogadgetoo · May 25, 2009

kevkojak said:
No-one folds KK pre-flop.
Is it just me who thinks that was an awful play?
Even against AA you have a 20% chance of outdrawing...and thats the absolute worst case scenario.
If you didn't have the balls to ship your chips into the pot pre flop with the 2nd best possible starting hand then you were playing out of your depth imo. Sorry.

I have play live with these guys every week for the past 3 or 4 years. I know how they play and this player never pushes with KK or worse only AA. That is why I folded. I have folded KK preflop 3 times against this player over the past few years and been correct 3 out of 3 times. Against an unknown player I would never fold KK in a cash game. To say that you never fold KK preflop is just stupid if you are 100% sure you are dominated by AA. Regarding playing out of my depth..... You have know clue what you are talking about.

CardConnoisseur · May 26, 2009

My mistake on my last post. I somehow erased the flop. Flop was ace-5-7 (as the guy abvoe me). turn another 5. The guy folded aces over 5s, to my 5 quads. I was dumbstruck when he showed me aces.

kevkojak · May 26, 2009

Whoa, put your handbag away sweetie, I said IN MY OPINION folding KK is a dumb move. You are NEVER certain of a players cards. If this guy knows your folding KK to every all-in he throws, he's gonna start doing it with any old rags just to take your chips.
ANYONE who folds KK pre-flop is out of their depth, meaning playing at a level where they are afraid to take a risk. Said before, even if your against the boogey monster that is AA, your still 5/1 to nick it.
Folding KK on the flop has its place, there are all kinds of flops that have you obviously dominated, but I would never ever lay down kings BEFORE seeing a flop unless I was last player on the bubble at the wsop main event against the tightest player ever to sit at the felt with my tourney on the line!
You weren't even put in a 'push or fold' situation, just re-raised to $400 from your raise of $100. Terrible lay-down.
Interesting to add, this was a private game, so no possible way of verifying it. lol.

If i'm in the wrong here, someone let me know and i'll apologise, preferably someone with a depth of experience. But IMHO you should ALWAYS peel off a flop with kings.
I think this post was just a 'look at me with the hero lay-down' story.

damon789 · May 26, 2009

Folding KK

I have to say that I have only folded KK once preflop in a ringame It was at 10c/25c and I had bought in for the usual 100bb I raised an EP raiser

He then pooped me back That's 3 betting right? anyway I'd played this guy many times before and knew him to be a solid player. 3rd raise to me means AA or KK so since I had KK I had to deduce that he had to be more likely to hold AA rarther than the 2 case kings

Also I have to comment that this hand happened very soon after I had lost 2 $50 pots in succession to horrific 2 outers and runner runner draws coming in so admittedly, I was a lil snakebit.

Anyway I tanked for like 40seconds and made what I thought was the laydown of my career. Then making the mistake of telling the Villian that I folded KK the chat went back and forward for a while. and basically he said he didnt believe I had KK " I finally said "How come" he said coz I had KK

Dont fold KK preflop If they got aces You are just gonna have to pay em off.

Falian · May 26, 2009

I bet the majority of people do not know their best laydown, as I would assume most of these happen in heads-up situations and therefore you will rarely see the opponents cards. Thats why laydowns still nag at you after you do them, as you never really know if it was the right move

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WVHillbilly · May 26, 2009

I folded TPTK once on the river. I'll never do that again.

Cilderr · May 26, 2009

biggest. A layed down a bottom end of a straight flush against a total nit, who only played nuts. This was like 2 yrs ago, when i had just started playing and i thought that str8 flushes are easy to get. My opponent had the royal, with the Ac and i had the bottom end with 9c board KcQcTcJcX When i posted my hand in forums, everybody called me a donkey and a fish for making that laydown, but it was a right decision at the time.

oogadgetoo · May 26, 2009

kevkojak said:
Whoa, put your handbag away sweetie, I said IN MY OPINION folding KK is a dumb move. You are NEVER certain of a players cards. If this guy knows your folding KK to every all-in he throws, he's gonna start doing it with any old rags just to take your chips.
ANYONE who folds KK pre-flop is out of their depth, meaning playing at a level where they are afraid to take a risk. Said before, even if your against the boogey monster that is AA, your still 5/1 to nick it.
Folding KK on the flop has its place, there are all kinds of flops that have you obviously dominated, but I would never ever lay down kings BEFORE seeing a flop unless I was last player on the bubble at the WSOP main event against the tightest player ever to sit at the felt with my tourney on the line!
You weren't even put in a 'push or fold' situation, just re-raised to $400 from your raise of $100. Terrible lay-down.
Interesting to add, this was a private game, so no possible way of verifying it. lol.

If i'm in the wrong here, someone let me know and i'll apologise, preferably someone with a depth of experience. But IMHO you should ALWAYS peel off a flop with kings.
I think this post was just a 'look at me with the hero lay-down' story.

What is your problem? I asked people to share their biggest lay down stories and all you do is come in and rag on people. I think you are wrong and I think it is possible to lay down KK pre-flop in a cash game if you have a good read on a player. As I said I have played with this player for years and I know how he plays. Plus in the situation I mentioned I was correct to let the hand go. There are very few players that I would even think about folding a hand like KK pre-flop in a cash game to but he is one of them.

I don’t play much poker online. It does not suite my game. I play live a few times a week in casinos so yes unfortunately I can’t show you the hand history. Also I don’t think I could fold KK online only in a live game.

Regarding me starting this post to brag.... you are just being a ass. I gave my lay downs as examples. If you have nothing better to do than give me your unwanted advice. Go find a post where I am asking for some.

oogadgetoo · May 26, 2009

kevkojak said:
Whoa, put your handbag away sweetie, I said IN MY OPINION folding KK is a dumb move. You are NEVER certain of a players cards. If this guy knows your folding KK to every all-in he throws, he's gonna start doing it with any old rags just to take your chips.
ANYONE who folds KK pre-flop is out of their depth, meaning playing at a level where they are afraid to take a risk. Said before, even if your against the boogey monster that is AA, your still 5/1 to nick it.
Folding KK on the flop has its place, there are all kinds of flops that have you obviously dominated, but I would never ever lay down kings BEFORE seeing a flop unless I was last player on the bubble at the WSOP main event against the tightest player ever to sit at the felt with my tourney on the line!
You weren't even put in a 'push or fold' situation, just re-raised to $400 from your raise of $100. Terrible lay-down.
Interesting to add, this was a private game, so no possible way of verifying it. lol.

If i'm in the wrong here, someone let me know and i'll apologise, preferably someone with a depth of experience. But IMHO you should ALWAYS peel off a flop with kings.
I think this post was just a 'look at me with the hero lay-down' story.

What is your problem? I asked people to share their biggest lay down stories and all you do is come in and rag on people. I think you are wrong and I think it is possible to lay down KK pre-flop in a cash game if you have a good read on a player. As I said I have played with this player for years and I know how he plays. Plus in the situation I mentioned I was correct to let the hand go. There are very few players that I would even think about folding a hand like KK pre-flop in a cash game to but he is one of them.

I don’t play much poker online. It does not suite my game. I play live a few times a week in casinos so yes unfortunately I can’t show you the hand history. Also I don’t think I could fold KK online only in a live game.

Regarding me starting this post to brag.... you are just being a ass. I gave my lay downs as examples. If you have nothing better to do than give me your unwanted advice. Go find a post where I am asking for some.

eellaadd · May 26, 2009

i folded 2nuts (full) but i dont remember how it went

kevkojak · May 26, 2009

This is a poker forum, if you dont want responses dont post.
I offered my opinion, and that is that KK isn't foldable pre-flop.
Making a post called "whats your biggest lay down" is just asking for trouble. 99% of the posters here wont have hand histories which makes it kinda pointless. They will be just stories. Sorry if you think i'm 'ragging' on you, I just read your post and had an opinion, and that was that KK preflop is un-foldable. You are the one who got defensive about it.
You cant say you were 100% sure your opponent had AA, so you had a good read, but surely in a live game his range isn't SO narrow that you assume AA after every re-raise?
I am still learning in this game, after 4 or 5 years of play, but in that short time, I've learned that the second best POSSIBLE starting hand should be played. The fact you were in a cash game re-enforces the fact, as you cant get knocked out of the game, you have the option to buy back in.

I think we'd better just agree to disagree here, sorry if i've offended you, but we're all entitled to our opinions. Nice lay-down, but I'll never be throwing Kings in the muck before seeing the board, regardless what it costs.

Chronical23 · May 26, 2009

The biggest lay down that I can remember making was AA on the turn with a board 3 cards to a flush and a straight draw. The villain in this case was overly aggressive and played tight before so i just couldn't make the all in call on 4th street to bust out of a tourney that early.

robertmcpokster · May 26, 2009

ok i got for ya .... im delt AA i reraise preflop like 5 times the bb , 1 caller the flop AQQ , i bet a lil over pot he insta calls, the turn Q , i knew he had the dam Q so i checked he bets pot again and i fold , it hurt but it had to be done , he showed the quad Qs

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