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They say to be a well rounded poker player you should be familiar with and able to play every form of poker. I am not there yet. What was the sequence of the games of poker that you learned to play and what are your future plans and sequence to learn additional games?
My sequence(future plans):
Limit -->No Limit Holdem-->Pot Limit Omaha--> Pot Limit 7 Card Stud-->(Omaha 8-->Hi/Low 7 Card Stud--> Razz-->?5 Card Stud)
 
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My way was Yahoo Limit Playmoney - Live Poker NL tourneys (with no-money prizes) - pokerstars SNG´s NLHE - PokerStars MTT´s NLHE - FullTilt PLO mtt´s , but i don´t want to be a complete player, no other form of poker will replace no-lmit holdem ever...
 
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Being well-rounded is over-rated, imo. It's pretty-much all hold'em, all the time anymore. Better to put at least 95% of your effort into that as you'll have little opportunity to play in any meaningful games in the other formats.

FWIW, my progression was live limit hold'em > limit online > NLHE > PLO8 > and just beginning PLO Hi when I realized I was pretty-much wasting my time with formats other than NLHE.
 
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I agree. I really don't care anything about learning these other games to be well rounded, but more from boredom. Not that I'm anything but a beginner at Holdem but sometimes I just get bored playing that all the time. I'm a recreational player and not playing for a living. I do think that some concepts from these other games can bleed over and help you in Holdem.
 
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I agree. I really don't care anything about learning these other games to be well rounded, but more from boredom. Not that I'm anything but a beginner at Holdem but sometimes I just get bored playing that all the time. I'm a recreational player and not playing for a living. I do think that some concepts from these other games can bleed over and help you in Holdem.

Concepts may help a little, and if you're playing for fun, out of boredom, etc, etc; then there is no problem playing whatever you enjoy, IF you can find a game. If you're looking to play more seriously, however, it's almost all hold'em these days. If you can find games of other formats, you'll likely find a very small player pool that will be much higher educated about that particular game than the average donkey is about NLHE.
 
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Learning to be good at other forms of poker will actually improve your hold em game, plus, youll be able to make extra cash in those tourneys that many players dont have such a strong game in.

The guarantees on some poker sites that involve games like razz omaha stud/8 and omaha/8 are easy cashes for me. Too many players concentrate all their efforts on hold em and dont have the skills in these games to really dominate.

Easy money.
 
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i agree with the statement above. i am not there yet either but it does improve your hold em game. doyle brunson's super system cant be wrong, can it?
 
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i agree with the statement above. i am not there yet either but it does improve your hold em game. doyle brunson's super system cant be wrong, can it?

Ummmm....yeah, it can. That book is so dated now, and poker has changed so much since it was written that it's practically irrelevant except in terms of an historical text.
 
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but i don´t want to be a complete player, no other form of poker will replace no-lmit holdem ever...
I don't think it was meant to be as a 'replacement' to NLHE.
Being well-rounded is over-rated, imo. It's pretty-much all hold'em, all the time anymore. Better to put at least 95% of your effort into that as you'll have little opportunity to play in any meaningful games in the other formats.
sounds like personal preference to me.

So I guess Shaun Deeb's been wasting his time by putting some effort into playing Mixed Games the past couple years??:confused:
 
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Ok, if you're SD, or some other player of that calibre, go ahead. As for the rest of us who struggle to find enough study/play time to master even one format......Maybe not the best policy to branch out until you have a solid foundation in NLHE first. Just my opinion.

Also how many mixed games available at micro/low stakes? I wish other varieties of poker were popular enough that they would have a decent player-base at the lower limits, but they just aren't.
 
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those guarantee tourneys on merge (for us players) and other sites (man i miss stars, mixed games were free money) are all low limit buy in games, guaranteeing quite a bit in most cases and each time nobody seems to know what theyre doing except a select few.

Its hilarious to see everyones game fall off after the holdem round is over is horse. 4 years ago on stars i bet a guy i could sit out for the holdem section and still cash. i not only won the bet but placed 4th.

Btw, Doyles Super System is still relevant. Not all of it is, but describing it as a historical text only makes you a fool
 
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Rudy , i bet youre the kind of guy who will spend pages telling us how Tom Dwan is the best player in the world, all the while ignoring his shoddy bankroll management (has needed loads tons of times) and how the REAL best players in the world keep betting him every year that he wont win a bracelet (he keeps losing those bets)
 
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those guarantee tourneys on merge (for us players) and other sites (man i miss stars, mixed games were free money) are all low limit buy in games, guaranteeing quite a bit in most cases and each time nobody seems to know what theyre doing except a select few.

Its hilarious to see everyones game fall off after the holdem round is over is horse. 4 years ago on stars i bet a guy i could sit out for the holdem section and still cash. i not only won the bet but placed 4th.

Btw, Doyles Super System is still relevant. Not all of it is, but describing it as a historical text only makes you a fool

Rudy , i bet youre the kind of guy who will spend pages telling us how Tom Dwan is the best player in the world, all the while ignoring his shoddy bankroll management (has needed loads tons of times) and how the REAL best players in the world keep betting him every year that he wont win a bracelet (he keeps losing those bets)

Ummmm....yeah. I bet your're the kind of guy who joins a website for a whole month. Constantly spouts off how "good" you are and basically have little to no clue about anything....poker included. As for Tom Dwan, easily one of the best in the world. Not one of my personal favorites, but still easily one of the best. I'm sure he's losing tons of sleep at night knowing you don't respect him/his game while he keeps raking in the millions.....and you remain a nobody.

As far as defending Super System......what a joke. Most anyone who's studied the game a bit, read a decent number of books, and put a little effort into it will tell you Super System is nowhere near relavant to today's game. It's probably not even in the top 20 books I'd recommend. Piece of free advice.....you can either remain quiet and make people wonder if you're a fool, or you can open your mouth and prove it.
 
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Also how many mixed games available at micro/low stakes? I wish other varieties of poker were popular enough that they would have a decent player-base at the lower limits, but they just aren't.
I don't know about 'low' but there's a few for micros.
STUD

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$5 7cdStud Hi/Lo Paf

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$11 7cdStud H/L PokerStars

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$3 7cdStud H/L (Carbon)

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$5 TripleStud PokerStars

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$6 7cd.Stud WPT

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$5 7cdStud (iPoker)

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$5 7cdStud FL PokerStars

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$11 7cdStud (Carbon)

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$5 TripleStud PokerStars

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$5 7cd.Stud Paf

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$1 7cdStud H/L (Carbon)

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$6 7cdStud (Carbon)

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$2 7cdStud (iPoker)

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$5 TripleStud PokerStars

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$5 7Stud $200guar. (Carbon)

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$11 7cd.Stud WPT

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$6 7Stud H/L (Carbon)

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$3 7Stud (Carbon)

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$2 TripleStud TURBO PokerStars

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$1 RAZZ PokerStars

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$6 7cd.Stud WPT

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$5 RAZZ PokerStars

Omaha H/L

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$2 PL Omaha H/L PokerStars

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$3 PL Omaha H/L paf

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$5 FL Omaha H/L (iPoker)

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$6 PL Omaha H/L $400guar. (Carbon)

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$6 PL Omaha H/L $200 Gtd. Cake

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$6 PL Omaha H/L $150 Gtd. Cake

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$4 PL Omaha H/L [$1K Gtd.] PokerStars

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$2 PL Omaha H/L (Carbon)



1:00 $5r/a PL Omaha H/L $1,500guar. Carbon

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$5r/a PL Omaha H/L $750 Gtd. Cake

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$1 PL Omaha H/L [$500 Gtd.] PokerStars

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$5 PL Omaha H/L (Carbon)

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$2 PL Omaha H/L PokerStars

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$8 PL Omaha H/L [360 Cap., $500 Gtd.] PokerStars

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$3 FL Omaha H/L paf

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$1 FL Omaha H/L PokerStars

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$1 FL Omaha H/L PokerStars

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PLO

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$1 PLO (iPoker)

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$3r/a PLO (iPoker)

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$5 PLO SH paf

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$6 PLO $200 Gtd. Cake

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$1r/a PLO (iPoker)

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$2r/a PLO $250 Gtd. WPT

HORSE

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$3 HORSE PokerStars

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Good lord I had no idea there were so many micro/low stakes "other" games available. Unfortunately, as a US player a lot of those aren't available for me.
Just curious as I'm not very computer savy, did you somehow cut and paste those or did you type them all out? Either way A for the effort.
I know Big Rudy was just expressing an opinion but I felt bad that maybe I was wasting my time playing anything but Holdem. Yours and other's posts cheered me up.
Some people say Omaha is the next Holdem.
 
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Good lord I had no idea there were so many micro/low stakes "other" games available. Unfortunately, as a US player a lot of those aren't available for me.
Just curious as I'm not very computer savy, did you somehow cut and paste those or did you type them all out? Either way A for the effort.
I know Big Rudy was just expressing an opinion but I felt bad that maybe I was wasting my time playing anything but Holdem. Yours and other's posts cheered me up.
Some people say Omaha is the next Holdem.

Ok, ok....impressive list, PO, but for US players cut that in at least half, probably less. Still found a fair few tournaments, though. In relative terms, however, hold'em still far out-strips everything else. But, yes, this is more than I realized since I only ever have access to the Carbon/Merge lobby where games can be scarce.

Don't hold your breath on this. They've been saying that for years. Of all the non-hold'em games, however, PLO Hi is probably the next most popular. PLO8, not so much which is unfortunate because of all the non-hold'em games it's probably my favorite.
 
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Just curious as I'm not very computer savy, did you somehow cut and paste those or did you type them all out?
I have a bunch of lists I keep stored on my computer (then just cut & paste them from the list I've previously typed up). I play on a bunch of different sites (lucky me) so if I'm looking to play for example $10 mtt's I can quickly pull up my 'lists' & for that particular time of day I'm able to find a half-dozen MTT's starting up.
 
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I can't speak for anyone but myself but playing a wide assortment of games is always a quick way to damage my bankroll. I don't remember who wrote it on here but someone said, "Find the game that you have an advantage in and stick with it."
 
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you gotta learn em' all
Some of the pros grumble that the Main Event at the wsop
- NL Holdem, which theoretically is supposed to represent
the ultimate player, should be HORSE or some variant.
I understand that's what they play in Bobby's room at the Bellagio.
 
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I'll skip being well rounded and just focus on Holdem. I have no intention of playing omaha, stud or any other variation so I'm not going to put any effort into them.
 
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