Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

#1 May 11th, 2020, 4:19 AM

Would you ever cold call a 3bet when you know you are pot commited.

Say you have 12BB. You bet 2.2BB from mid position. Villain from the botton raise to 7.7BB.

Is it better to call the 7.7BB and do a stop and go, and all in on the flop? Assuming you have a decent hand like a 88s.

I am sure many would say they would have shoved the 99s. That hypothetically that isn't the question. Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

#2 May 11th, 2020, 12:34 PM

I don't think that with hand like 88s it's a good idea to call the raise. The Villain could have much stronger pair or hands like AK, AQ which have quite good chances to beat your hand

#3 May 11th, 2020, 1:08 PM

Hello! 88 is not a bad hand for opening the flop, but you need to know at least approximately the range of the villain�s game, but the game is always a risk, played in the tournament yesterday and with me three with AA lost their stacks. Sincerely, Sergey.

#4 May 11th, 2020, 1:13 PM

Shove pre.

#5 May 11th, 2020, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by blix177

Would you ever cold call a 3bet when you know you are pot commited.

Say you have 12BB. You bet 2.2BB from mid position. Villain from the botton raise to 7.7BB.

Is it better to call the 7.7BB and do a stop and go, and all in on the flop? Assuming you have a decent hand like a 88s.

I am sure many would say they would have shoved the 99s. That hypothetically that isn't the question. Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

I'm a little puzzled by your question. You are asking should you put another 5.5bbs in the pot to call leaving you with 4.3bbs? And then what, you plan to bet your tiny remaining stack on the flop. I can't see what your strategy would accomplish. If your opponent bet 7.7bbs pre-flop he sure isn't going to back down after the flop to a 4.3bb bet.

Your only choices here is fold or shove pre-flop and, with 12bbs and pocket 8's a shove is the only play to consider.

#6 May 11th, 2020, 8:19 PM

Originally Posted by gryphon3005

I'm a little puzzled by your question. You are asking should you put another 5.5bbs in the pot to call leaving you with 4.3bbs? And then what, you plan to bet your tiny remaining stack on the flop. I can't see what your strategy would accomplish. If your opponent bet 7.7bbs pre-flop he sure isn't going to back down after the flop to a 4.3bb bet.

Your only choices here is fold or shove pre-flop and, with 12bbs and pocket 8's a shove is the only play to consider.

Think that is the objective of a stop and go. And wondering would this create more fold equity.

The idea is if you reraise pre flop, the villain would call for certainty. But if the villain brick hard on the flop say AQS or 9s hand that came out as K76 of hearts.

Then it makes calling on the flop vs a flop much harder with only 2 cards to improve.

#7 May 11th, 2020, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by blix177

Think that is the objective of a stop and go. And wondering would this create more fold equity.

The idea is if you reraise pre flop, the villain would call for certainty. But if the villain brick hard on the flop say AQS or 9s hand that came out as K76 of hearts.

Then it makes calling on the flop vs a flop much harder with only 2 cards to improve.

Thank U 4 posting

The issue with your strategy is the limited number of players that would check the flop and then fold getting 4-1 with no further bets possible by U.

Stop and go is most effective to get folds when the V has to call multiple large bets post flop and does not want to jeopardize their stack. Non of those factors are present in this situation. On your example AQ calls just in case you bet AJ on that flop or as you had 88 and V would be gettin 4-1 the exact odds AQ needs to profitably call U

Hope this helps
Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

#8 May 11th, 2020, 9:17 PM

Originally Posted by eetenor

Thank U 4 posting

The issue with your strategy is the limited number of players that would check the flop and then fold getting 4-1 with no further bets possible by U.

Stop and go is most effective to get folds when the V has to call multiple large bets post flop and does not want to jeopardize their stack. Non of those factors are present in this situation. On your example AQ calls just in case you bet AJ on that flop or as you had 88 and V would be gettin 4-1 the exact odds AQ needs to profitably call U

Hope this helps
Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

So in essence if you are committed to go all in, it doesn't matter are we going all in preflop or going all in on the flop?

#9 May 11th, 2020, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by blix177

So in essence if you are committed to go all in, it doesn't matter are we going all in preflop or going all in on the flop?

Thank you for posting

At this stack depth we actually want to go all in pre if we are going all in no matter what. Just shove and start your anti tilt strategies so you can be ready to limit any emotions that might pop up

Hope this helps

#10 May 11th, 2020, 10:17 PM

In this specific scenario that you said, I think it makes no difference whether to pay or to shovar since on any floop you will have to bog down too. Because for example if you have 12 bbs and you pay a 3bet out of 7 for example even if it is a board with A, K, or Q you will have to pay because folding to cbet or a shove would be a crime for being involved with the pot, so it doesn't matter whether you pay or shovar as both of you will not fold anymore.

#11 May 12th, 2020, 7:45 AM

stop 'n go.

villain is calling a 4bet jam 100% of the time. villain is calling a stop 'n go jam majority of the time. however, stop 'n go gives us a bit of fold equity against flops villain completely bricks.

it's a small chance of villain folding to a stop n' go jam, but it's still there. the odds of villain calling a jam pre/post flop is likely 100% v 99%, but that 1% gives the stop 'n go a slight edge.

#12 May 12th, 2020, 9:29 AM

I am shoving pre when I have 12bb

#13 May 13th, 2020, 8:20 PM

I think that with 12bb with hand like 88s its a good idea to shove preflop

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