Verbal Commitment in Poker???? Please Help!

Any input on this would be appreciated. Here's the question. This was a Family (Friendly) game of $1 $2 No Limit there was a lot of table talk and quite a bit of drinking. Anyways one of the Cousins(early Position) does a $20 raise after the flop and the other cousin said (jokinly) you call that a raise? and goes to fold hand. The first Cousin that did the Raise says all in before the hand gets folded and flips over his own cards. Now he wants the cousins chips that said; "You call that a Raise?" and then all hell breaks out. The guy that said you call that a raise didn't even turn his head to look at the flipped over cards . Because he was trying to explain to dealer that he did not call or raise and was out of the hand. The question is: Does "You call that a Raise? Give a commitement to being in the hand? He did not say, " I Call!" "I Raise!" and didn't do any gestures or chip moving. Again this was a friendly game amoungst cousins with a lot of table talk.
Help and opinions are appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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highmark said:

Any input on this would be appreciated. Here's the question. This was a Family (Friendly) game of $1 $2 No Limit there was a lot of table talk and quite a bit of drinking. Anyways one of the Cousins(early Position) does a $20 raise after the flop and the other cousin said (jokinly) you call that a raise? and goes to fold hand. The first Cousin that did the Raise says all in before the hand gets folded and flips over his own cards. Now he wants the cousins chips that said; "You call that a Raise?" and then all hell breaks out. The guy that said you call that a raise didn't even turn his head to look at the flipped over cards . Because he was trying to explain to dealer that he did not call or raise and was out of the hand. The question is: Does "You call that a Raise? Give a commitement to being in the hand? He did not say, " I Call!" "I Raise!" and didn't do any gestures or chip moving. Again this was a friendly game amoungst cousins with a lot of table talk.
Help and opinions are appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Saying "You call that a Raise?" is not any action whatsoever. He did not call or raise.
Just like if you happen to say the word "bomb" on an airplane, it doesn't necessarily define and convict you as a terrorist.

No, the initial raiser is an angle shooting ass.

Well he didn't say call or raise in reference to the hand so he just folded. Also if you say "I call your ??? and raise you ???" then I was under the impression that you can't do that and your first action is taken. So even if we say the one who said "you call that a raise" did agree to bet then he only called. The first guy then raising all in is a moron as he is acting out of turn as we are going to see a flop at least. Tell him that he is a ****ing moron and needs to learn to act in turn.

Maybe start a reality TV show?

Just coming from my own experience, If youre gonna talk dont mention raises calls all in fold anything that would be construed, Dont drop chips with them in your hand over (some invisible line) to say call or else your all in if you dont say your intentions before picking up a stack of chips just to drop and call,

I dont quite understand this scenerio

there was a $20 post flop so who was the the other cousin talking to when he said you call that raise, the raiser or someone between him and the 'you call that raise' guy.

and then what did someone else put $20 in the pot for the other dude to go all in and how can he go all in if no one re-raised his $20 or did I miss something crucial in what I read (wont be the first time)

YOU CALL THAT RAISE, did anyone answer or shake their head yes or I dunno

BUt I still dont understand and re-read, there is a flop, some dude in EP raises $20 now who said you call that raise and what raise the dude in EP first to act raised post flop SO NOW EXPLAIN IT FROM HERE who said what and who

The guy in early position 2nd to act made a 20 raise everybody folded in turn up to the guy (2nd from last) that said, "you call that a raise". The guy that raised $20 immediately said "all in". disregarding the last players to act. The ($20 raiser) all in guy wanted the guy that said, "You call that a raise?." to be verbally committed to the pot because he jokinly said, "you call that a raise?" Nobody else was in hand after the $20 bet.
Thanks also for the replies and your time.

OHHH YOU CALL THAT A RAISE I get it now, sorry I kept re-readiing and (my third education)

I left the (A) out, YOU CALL THAT RAISE (see I made that quote 3x in my post)

OHHH YOU CALL THAT A RAISE I get it now, sorry I kept re-readiing and (my third education)

I left the (A) out, YOU CALL THAT RAISE (see I made that quote 3x in my post)

Nah that dude isnt committed to call the raise then. Sounds like some good beer trash talk, and all hell broke loose cause of that.

If this was my family, I wouldn't admit to it (a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic if you ask me)

Samango said:

If this was my family, I wouldn't admit to it

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tenbob said:

No, the initial raiser is an angle shooting ass.

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^ this. Definitely this.

Yes, verbal action is binding, but there was no definitive verbal "action" in this case - you can't take the words out of context.

Plus it makes no sense anyway: if the "call" part was binding then the betting wouldn't have been reopened to the angle-shooting ass to shove all in anyway. And if the "raise" part was binding then unless a minraise was enough to put the angle-shooting ass all in then it makes no sense for him to be turning his cards over.

A freindly game?...would hate to see them playing one when they were all serious. That isn't a raise and the one that initiated the raise than shoved imo is out of line for even trying to make an issue out of that with out the other guy puttin in his chips

Haha seen this type of drunk controversy too many times ... "Call that a raise" cousin sounds like fun ... $20 bet cousin, not so much.

sCATpoker said:

A freindly game?...would hate to see them playing one when they were all serious.

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This is exactly what I was thinking, lol

Not a very "friendly" game in my opinion. The cousin who flipped his cards and demanded the other cousin pay sounds like a peach. Table talk does not constitute a bet, his claim is ridiculous. Don't invite that one back.

Person 1 raised , then person 2 said "You call that a raise?" all the while person 1 heard "I call that raise".
Playing drunk poker live will almost always be troubled with disagreements because what is said is rarely what is heard while drunk.

Samango said:

If this was my family, I wouldn't admit to it (a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic if you ask me)

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genleemb said:

Haha seen this type of drunk controversy too many times ... "Call that a raise" cousin sounds like fun ... $20 bet cousin, not so much.

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shinedown.45 said:

Person 1 raised , then person 2 said "You call that a raise?" all the while person 1 heard "I call that raise".
Playing drunk poker live will almost always be troubled with disagreements because what is said is rarely what is heard while drunk.

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Err.. do your cousins carry handguns? This is not a poker thread, this is a drunk party shootemup...