U.S. Players lets find a solution to the us ban problem.

Things all u.s. players need to do.

write, email, fax The President as well as your state and district representatives. Let them know you are a voter and a player and demand that they defend your rights in Washington. They think of every letter as the opinion of 100 voters and every call as the opinion of 50 voters. Don't just drop your pants and let it happen. FIGHT BACK!

Let the poker sites that have banned u.s. players that you don't appreciate being abandoned by them. One day the gaming law will be repealed and when it is that you will be loyal to companies that were loyal to you.

Let the poker sites that have kept accepting u.s. citizens that you appreciate their loyalty.


Things we may be able to do to get around the ban.

I am not sure where we might find these, but here there are p.o. boxes that use an address not p.o.box# for the customers. This can be used as a fictitious residence outside u.s. borders.

Offshore holding companies are very dependable and offer a debit card for accounts that can be used anywhere. So no money transfers ever touch u.s. soil and you can set one up fairly easily.

For phone numbers if any1 has any idea's let me know. There are companies on the net that offer internet based phone services but most charge a fee for this. I'm not sure where we might find one with non u.s. area codes we can use as our home #'s

Anyone experience with computers who might understand the process I would need to go threw in order to set up my online poker play threw a non u.s. proxy plz let me know to.

Well of the top of my head thats all I have tell me what ya think

KEEP IT WILD! Notsuredamus

As for myself, if the poker site will not accept me as a US player I would think you are taking a big chance on losing your money if you are ever found out that you "skirted" the law. They may just keep your money.

It is bad enough to lose it at the table playing poker. I would stay with the sites that accept US and wait it out until the law is changed.

Been doing my part with letters and signing petitions etc. Just wish the politicians didn't think poker players are all laundering money for some terrorist group or whatever. Ya, I've seen coments from people in D.C. pointing out that as a reason to stop us legit players.

If they'd just make it legal so they can tax it the same as land based casinos we'd all be a lot happier.

adventurebound said:

If they'd just make it legal so they can tax it the same as land based casinos we'd all be a lot happier.

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What? And allow US players to play online instead of going to the Native American casinos? But then who would the casino owners give their wheelbarrels full of "contributions" to?

PokerPete said:

What? And allow US players to play online instead of going to the Native American casinos? But then who would the casino owners give their wheelbarrels full of "contributions" to?

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Hehe, good point.

I know one gal whos dad owns three native amercian casinos, she only gets 20K a month allowance + a big annual check (she's in her late 30's worst part is she's dating a freind, dang it)

I wrote my state repsentive. Only return was the standard forum letter. I know he voted for the bill it was slipped into. Didn't get my vote last time and eillnot again.

I applaud and agree with most of your points. However, this:

Notsuredamus said:

Let the poker sites that have banned u.s. players that you don't appreciate being abandoned by them. One day the gaming law will be repealed and when it is that you will be loyal to companies that were loyal to you.

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shows a lack of understanding of the issues.

Those sites which have banned Americans have done so because they have assets in the States and are vulnerable to reprisals or (more commonly) because they are public companies.

Many of the major poker rooms are quoted on the London stock market. Market rules require that a quoted company must respect local law in all major jurisdictions where they operate. They did not have a choice other than to stop dealing with American customers when America introduced its new legislation.

It has nothing to do with loyalty and it makes no sense to take it personally.

Recived this email from Pete Hoekstra Michigan Congressman
This is how the republicans feel about gambling. Also has casinos in his district.

Dear Mr. Keller:
Thank you for contacting me about the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act. I appreciate hearing from you.
I believe that Congress must remain vigilant when debating the merits of Internet gambling. It is important to remain mindful of Internet gambling's ability to evade anti-gambling laws and regulations, which can endanger children in the home, tempt adult compulsive gamblers, prey on the poor and facilitate fraud.
Once again, thank you for contacting me. Please continue to keep me informed of your views on the issues that are important to you.



Sincerely,
Pete Hoekstra
Member of Congress

DuaneK said:

Recived this email from Pete Hoekstra Michigan Congressman
This is how the republicans feel about gambling. Also has casinos in his district.

Dear Mr. Keller:
Thank you for contacting me about the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act. I appreciate hearing from you.
I believe that Congress must remain vigilant when debating the merits of Internet gambling. It is important to remain mindful of Internet gambling's ability to evade anti-gambling laws and regulations, which can endanger children in the home, tempt adult compulsive gamblers, prey on the poor and facilitate fraud.
Once again, thank you for contacting me. Please continue to keep me informed of your views on the issues that are important to you.



Sincerely,
Pete Hoekstra
Member of Congress

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Did you write back and say:

I believe it is important for you to remain mindful of the fact that you are in office represent myself and your constituents. Not to further your own beliefs and opinions. Furthermore, I would hope during your "debate" you take the time to get the facts of the issue rather than rely on some statement that suggests you think you know what's best for me and the rest of our adult population. You are not in office to hold our hands sir, but to represent us.


/rant...Wow, that response really ticked me off. Can you say sanctimonious, and condescending? Or was I reading too much into it?

juiceeQ said:

/rant...Wow, that response really ticked me off. Can you say sanctimonious, and condescending? Or was I reading too much into it?

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i think i read 'form letter' written all over that. or at least, something filled with quotes from a brochure that was used to pass the law in the first place. and really, what else would you expect to get? this is the most polite form a 'screw you, i don't care' letter can take, no?

benevg said:

i think i read 'form letter' written all over that. or at least, something filled with quotes from a brochure that was used to pass the law in the first place. and really, what else would you expect to get? this is the most polite form a 'screw you, i don't care' letter can take, no?

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Yeah, pretty much hit the nail on the head.

benevg said:

this is the most polite form a 'screw you, i don't care' letter can take, no?

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Yep, that`s precisely what I thought when I read it.

I sent Congressman Pete Hoekstra a copy of JucieeQ's reply to my post from Pete. Waiting for a reply. Don't think he has a form letter for that.

I feel ya. and know where your coming from.

I realize that the companies that stopped allowing u.s. players to play are publicly owned and have a responsibility to their stock holders first. Unfortunately we are being held hostage by a government run by a man who attained office do to a rigged election. So what the public says or feels means nothing anymore. Maybe time for a good old fashion revolution.
Remind the people in office that they work for us. I think a public hanging of a few of the worse offenders of our rights might do the trick.

In the year of the milliniemm. 12th month. In the most powerful country on earth. The village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader. Nostradamus 1555

lmao I don't believe in prophets but he sure did have bush pegged.

shows a lack of understanding of the issues.

Those sites which have banned Americans have done so because they have assets in the States and are vulnerable to reprisals or (more commonly) because they are public companies.

Many of the major poker rooms are quoted on the London stock market. Market rules require that a quoted company must respect local law in all major jurisdictions where they operate. They did not have a choice other than to stop dealing with American customers when America introduced its new legislation.

It has nothing to do with loyalty and it makes no sense to take it personally.[/quote]

We can only hope that someday we can have the freedom to play were we want. until then we can write letters to make our feelings known. there have been many reasons used for the ban, and some could be valid, so for now we will all have to wait it out.

Here's an easy solution. We could just stop playing.

It is important to remain mindful of Internet gambling's ability to evade anti-gambling laws and regulations, which can endanger children in the home, tempt adult compulsive gamblers, prey on the poor and facilitate fraud.

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I thought that America was supposed to be the land of the free - that is even more indicative of a nanny state than the Labour Party Conference! How can playing poker endanger children in the home? I'm willing to bet that the right to carry arms endangers far more children in their homes than online poker ever would, or could!

wsorbust said:

Here's an easy solution. We could just stop playing.

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Blasphemy!

NoWuckingFurries said:

I thought that America was supposed to be the land of the free

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And over taxed and over governed with more restrictive laws each day, thanks to the few who make the laws without listening to the people they are supposed to represent. It's not a political party thing. Historically politicians do what they want, not what the people want like they are supposed to. Then we have to all get together and make things right again by lobbying for change.

PokerPete said:

What? And allow US players to play online instead of going to the Native American casinos? But then who would the casino owners give their wheelbarrels full of "contributions" to?

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Have the Native American casino owners run the online poker sites as well. Even easier to make a "contribution" because you don't need a wheelbarrow.

Good Post..the writing, phoning your legislators part anyway

I have been in the political process....Emails, Phone Calls REALLY MATTER absolutely. No better fitting quote for politicians than.....The Squeeky Wheel gets the greese

I have been phoning and emailing for over a year now...

this is good stuff, lets just hope enough people do it.

I was wrong Congressman Hoekstraq has a form letter for all occasions.

Dear Mr. Keller:
Thank you for your e-mail.
I appreciate your comments on the role and responsibilities of a member of Congress. I have worked diligently to reflect in Washington the values and interests of my constituents, and I will continue to do so to the very best of my ability.
Constituent input like yours helps me to better understand the diversity of views that exists in the district. I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts with me.




Sincerely,
Pete Hoekstra
Member of Congress