Troll Comments

I've recently done this live but it's hilarious how these comments can tilt off my opponents. Do you any of you make tilting comments in live games or sometimes even online?

If I hit a set and get my chips in against a guy with a flush on the flop, but we both get what we want where I pair the board but he also hits his flush, I tend to say
"well, at least you made your flush "

If I'm slowplaying a monster hand and someone moves all-in, I call, win the pot, and then talk to other people "u know? I tried to be nice and save him some money by giving him the opportunity to check but what can I do when he doesn't want to do it? "

I make a marginal sick call against someone and they whine and talk crap to me saying "u call with that crap" I tell them, "YEAH, because Ace high is better than King high. Poker is about shipping your money in with a better hand. Ace high is better than King high. Dont' you put money in with a better hand." they respond "haha, like you knew what I had" My response, "Sure I did, that's why I called and I was right. That's why I won. Better player always wins. " (of course, I don't really think like this and this is the most result-oriented statement but I like to look like a calling station idiot in live game so that people don't bluff into me)

When I make a call with low pocket pair and someone has two overcards such as AK vs my 55, they're disappointed with my call and say "you call with 5s?" I tell them "YEAH. pair is better than ace king high. I have a better hand. That's why I called"(of course, it's a coin-flip and I could've been dominated. I love looking like result-oriented donkey in live games)

LOL. Anyone have good trolling comments they want to share?

You give away so many tells about yourself when you do that - I love to play players like you. Without realizing it you end up tilting yourself more than you tilt others - I have seen that happen so many times.

Also - why do you want to make bad players uncomfortable playing?

That kind of thing should have no place in your strategy.

dakota-xx said:

You give away so many tells about yourself when you do that - I love to play players like you. Without realizing it you end up tilting yourself more than you tilt others - I have seen that happen so many times.

Also - why do you want to make bad players uncomfortable playing?

That kind of thing should have no place in your strategy.

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Hey Debi. What's up. Just a question. How am I giving away the tells? Because I say these stuff while smiling and laughing after the hand is over or after all the decisions have been made. Don't tells usually exist or apply while the hand is in play? Because all those actions I do are done after the hand is over or after all the action is finalized. I just joke around in live games and thought these are trolling comments that also give people laughs at the same time. I've been getting lot of kicks out of it.

I think I started fooling around when I saw this one guy who was in a hand against this other girl. This guy flopped top two pairs with his KJo, checks, and the girl bluffed all-in with Ace high for a gutshot draw since board was K J T and she had A8. He calls, and hits a full house on the turn by hitting another Jack on the turn and before the river is dealt, he then says "now you can hit your straight" and indeed she did hit her useless straight Queen on the river. He then smiles and says "well, at least you made your straight. " I was LMFAO while she was angry and left. He then says in smiling and laughing manner "why she angry? She was semi-bluffing all-in and if called, she was hoping to hit her gutshot for the straight and she got there. She made the hand she was hoping to make. Shouldn't she be happy? "

I'm not comparing myself or putting myself anywhere near the level of Daniel Negreanu, Sammy Farha, or Scotty Nguyen but don't they talk and maneuver things around? Sammy Farha makes bad pre-flop call with pocket 3s against amateur's pocket Aces who raised pre-flop to 1000 when blinds are at 25/50, flops a set, and gets rest of 9k chips from him. He then says "u gotta gamble to win, right? u don't gamble, u don't win." (even though deep inside, we all know that he intentionally called because of implied odds that amateur won't let go of his Aces and pay off his whole stack regardless of what the board was.)

Check this one out. Daniel talks his way out of a hand to bluff successfully. I wanna learn to be more social and do this while at a poker table. But of course, they perfected their social style where they give off false tells or maneuver plays around.


This wouldn't have worked online but since it was live and he read out the guy's hand but yet, bets at it, he made the guy fold. He made himself look strong by saying "I think he's got Aces or Kings there" as if he's having a tough time making a decision of whether to call Daniel's bet or not.

dakota-xx said:

You give away so many tells about yourself when you do that - I love to play players like you. Without realizing it you end up tilting yourself more than you tilt others - I have seen that happen so many times.

Also - why do you want to make bad players uncomfortable playing?

That kind of thing should have no place in your strategy.

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i disagree with that said. I mean if u capable to make a good trash talking, as op has reported (see examples), which sounds good imho, it's a very good weapon.

Obv i understand what u mean saying that and sometimes it might be true as well.

I would end up as deb said nmw and tilt trashtalking at the table just coz "it's not me", it's not in my behavior. But see negreanu what a metagame he did !!!

Old man berates girl over the straight and she leaves the table.......there's your answer, don't be so ****ing stupid.......do you not want to keep worse players at the table for as long as possible?....you should be making them feel GOOD, not trying to make yourself look big and UNfunny giving it the big iam......I think op has low self confidence and seeks acceptance and applause.

AlfieAA said:

Old man berates girl over the straight and she leaves the table.......there's your answer, don't be so ****ing stupid.......do you not want to keep worse players at the table for as long as possible?....you should be making them feel GOOD, not trying to make yourself look big and UNfunny giving it the big iam......I think op has low self confidence and seeks acceptance and applause.

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That is exactly what I was going to quote and why players should never engage in that kind of talk at the table.

You don't have to be in a hand to give away tells on how you play - any live player should know that.

Also - can't compare yourself to any of those pros you mentioned.

If I dont know anyone at my table
I'll act like an idiot, forget to put my blinds in ask the dealer questions and maybe make a donkish comment
''like I cant hit the flop today''


it really really puts players on raging tilt when I start winning as they think they are getting beat by a clueless idiot.

I would never try and wind anyone up deliberately to there knowledge, because it just changes the dynamics and players will be out to get you. and karma can be a funny thing

Trash talk online is one thing, but live? hehe i dont think i would have tried that..Atleast not with the guys im playing with on a regular basis. (ofc it depends on the grade of trashtalk,but the stuff ive seen oponents writing to me online,would never be very popular live ! )

When i play fishes online i just say nice thing to them, to make them stay at the table obv If u trashtalk a fish he might go on tilt and lose all hes money,but he might also just leave the game

i ignore chat box mostly....its not worth reading....i never troll anyone because its pointless

guys i thinnk u missing the point!! op is not saying to bare the opponents but to trashtalk trying to get them irritated a little bit pushing them to the tilt.

And I believe is not just talking about to trash taltk the fish but others playrs liker regs or rookies which wont leave the table anywyay for stupid words.
Leave stuff like: u an idiot, u r a donk or whatever to others...we not saying that

rdm4k said:

guys i thinnk u missing the point!! op is not saying to bare the opponents but to trashtalk trying to get them irritated a little bit pushing them to the tilt.

And I believe is not just talking about to trash taltk the fish but others playrs liker regs or rookies which wont leave the table anywyay for stupid words.
Leave stuff like: u an idiot, u r a donk or whatever to others...we not saying that

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only bad players would have the time to trash talk, whereas a good player is too busy thinking about the game to trash talk....save your energy for the latter coz trust me its not cool to try and be the big man or a motormouth....infact it would be highly irratating and would scream that you yourself are a massive fish.

Im usually pretty polite and nice to people when i play, I always agree with their analysis, I always agree with their strategy, say hard luck when they lose and apologize if they are upset after I win, being young it doesnt completely negate the young kid impression i give. but it goes a long way to making people tell me more about their hands.

Plus i dont really like being a dick to people for the sake of it. there are a handful of times that someone has checked back a value hand or elected just to call with the nuts to be nice because of it aswell.

but i agree with debi, chances are you are super face up

AlfieAA said:

infact it would be highly irratating and would scream that you yourself are a massive fish.

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I'm not going to weigh-in on whether or not I think trash talking is helpful at the poker table, as IMO it's far too situationally dependent to allow broad generalizations to be useful.

I will, however, weigh in on the quote I selected above, as it is incredibly shortsighted and definitively erroneous. There are plenty of pros that engage in trash-talking with great frequency: Tony G, Mike Matusow, Devilfish, and Jean-Robert Bellande, just to name a few --- so, clearly, all trash-talkers are not fish. Some people can be tilted with trash talking and some cannot. Asserting that trash talking is never valuable is asinine, as is assuming that all players that trash talk are fish. If you don't want to trash talk, that's great --- don't trash talk. If others want to trash talk, let them. Most of us look for edges wherever we can, and some players generate an edge via trash talk. I am fine with that and I don't see why it should bother anyone else.

For the record, I am speaking ONLY about trash talk. I am not talking about bigotry or hate speak. Deriding people for their sexual orientation, skin color, or ethnic background is NEVER appropriate. Deriding them for their terrible play, however, is a very different story.

-HooDooKoo

trash talking is clearly -EV for the entire poker economy tho

you either gotta learn from the Tony G/Matusow school of trash talk which 95 percent of people can't pass, or just shut up!

duggs said:

trash talking is clearly -EV for the entire poker economy tho

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1. The entire poker community's EV IS negative. Winners win money from losers, but everyone pays the house. So the community pays in more than the winners win --- making the entire poker community's EV negative. That's why it's great to be the house.

2. I think I know what you meant with your statement above, and to that way of thinking I would say this: I'm much more concerned with my results than the poker community's EV. If I think I increase my EV by trash talking, I trash talk. If not, I don't. The impact of my behavior on the poker community as a whole is not a factor in my decision making --- and I think that's true of the vast majority of poker players.

-HooDooKoo

HooDooKoo said:

1. The entire poker community's EV IS negative. Winners win money from losers, but everyone pays the house. So the community pays in more than the winners win --- making the entire poker community's EV negative. That's why it's great to be the house.

2. I think I know what you meant with your statement above, and to that way of thinking I would say this: I'm much more concerned with my results than the poker community's EV. If I think I increase my EV by trash talking, I trash talk. If not, I don't. The impact of my behavior on the poker community as a whole is not a factor in my decision making --- and I think that's true of the vast majority of poker players.

-HooDooKoo

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1. only in pure dollar terms, if the people they lose money derive enjoyment from it, and profitable players and breakeven derive utility greater than their winnings then it isnt -EV.

But obv in dollar terms its a negative sum game due to rake (or neutral EV if you consider the house as a player)

2. And that phenom is commonly known as the tragedy of commons.

A quite good article by Neil Channing, not quite about op but certainly about live poker chat and about how a certain type of player are killing the game. Neil is a friend and has multi wsop cashes including two seconds. If attachment isn't appropriate please remove.

http://www.thehendonmob.com/neil_channing/failure_to_engage

AlfieAA said:

Old man berates girl over the straight and she leaves the table.......there's your answer, don't be so ****ing stupid.......do you not want to keep worse players at the table for as long as possible?....you should be making them feel GOOD, not trying to make yourself look big and UNfunny giving it the big iam......I think op has low self confidence and seeks acceptance and applause.

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HAHAHA, right. Girl was leaving regardless because she lost a lot of money and didn't wanna play anymore. She tried bluffing at a wrong time so many times and that night, if I calculate, she's lost $100 just in cash games at 50NL and she didn't cash at the home game tournament even after 5 rebuys, which was roughly $240. This was a home game. The guy decided to joke around after he hit his turn and said "well, now u can hit ur straight" and when the straight came out for her, he just said "well, at least you made your straight. " But regardless, she was leaving. The guy didn't berate her. After she left, the guy just said "well, when she moved all-in, and if called, she was hoping to hit her straight and she got there "

Nowhere in my comment have I made myself look big or insult others. If anything, I make trolling comments that will make myself look silly and funny, or make myself look like result-oriented donkey which makes people think I'm a calling station who can't be bluffed. People joke around even though they don't mean it. Go check out Sammy Farha's video. Makes a huge pre-flop call with pocket 3s, hits a set, then gets paid off and follows it by laughing and saying "u gotta gamble to win, right? u don't gamble, u don't win. " But was he really gambling? He was seeking implied odds.

Low self confidence? LMFAO. Comes from a person who can't distinguish between humor, jokes, and trash-talk.

duggs said:

1. only in pure dollar terms, if the people they lose money derive enjoyment from it, and profitable players and breakeven derive utility greater than their winnings then it isnt -EV.

But obv in dollar terms its a negative sum game due to rake (or neutral EV if you consider the house as a player)

2. And that phenom is commonly known as the tragedy of commons.

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I don't understand your first statement (other than the neutral EV portion). And I'm well aware of the concept of tragedy of commons. I just think that fish are far more plentiful than those of you worried about the depletion of this particular resource. IMO, we have the combination of variance and the Dunning Kruger Effect to thank for that.

Regardless, I'm a HU specialist so when I scare someone away from the table, it only "hurts" me.

-HooDooKoo

Ranny said:

A quite good article by Neil Channing, not quite about op but certainly about live poker chat and about how a certain type of player are killing the game. Neil is a friend and has multi wsop cashes including two seconds. If attachment isn't appropriate please remove.

http://www.thehendonmob.com/neil_channing/failure_to_engage

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The difference between that article and my post was, that article talks about self-proclaimed professionals who berates others plays of how plays should be done such as

"They all spoke very loudly, mostly across each other, and they rarely paused to listen to what the others were saying. They talked about "morons" limping and not three-betting A-J in the cut-off and not knowing to 3/5 with an A-Q on the button. They discussed staking and make-up and games with large buy-ins; they talked about people I know of through poker websites but have never met; they spoke loudly about ranges and fold equity; and they went on and on about themselves and how ****ing great they were."

I don't berate my opponent. Why would I? In matter of fact, someone berating me in the past about my leak of calling all-ins with low pocket pairs is the reason why I got better because that time, I considered joining cardschat. You don't want fishes to get better. I joke with the results of the hand, as I mentioned where one person has a set and other has flush draw, get their money in, and set hits his full house while flush draw gets his flush, then I say stuff like "well, at least you made your flush. " I don't know how that's offensive or berating or giving tells.

If someone berates my play, I would just respond like a silly person who didn't know what he's doing and who talks like result-oriented donkey. For example, i call someone's all-in with low pocket pair and they roll over AK and I roll over 55 and they are disgusted with my call, I just tell them "well, pair is better than Ace King high. so I called. "

HooDooKoo said:

I don't understand your first statement (other than the neutral EV portion). And I'm well aware of the concept of tragedy of commons. I just think that fish are far more plentiful than those of you worried about the depletion of this particular resource. IMO, we have the combination of variance and the Dunning Kruger Effect to thank for that.

Regardless, I'm a HU specialist so when I scare someone away from the table, it only "hurts" me.

-HooDooKoo

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but you should want them to enjoy it, especially if you want the game to grow.
It doesnt only hurt you, it hurts them, it hurts everyone who would otherwise have another game running.


also that autocorrected to they in previous post.

people that play recreationally shouldnt be treated like crap, they are paying an entertainment cost and should be treated well.

PoKeRFoRNiA said:

The difference between that article and my post was, that article talks about self-proclaimed professionals who berates others plays of how plays should be done such as

"They all spoke very loudly, mostly across each other, and they rarely paused to listen to what the others were saying. They talked about "morons" limping and not three-betting A-J in the cut-off and not knowing to 3/5 with an A-Q on the button. They discussed staking and make-up and games with large buy-ins; they talked about people I know of through poker websites but have never met; they spoke loudly about ranges and fold equity; and they went on and on about themselves and how ****ing great they were."

I don't berate my opponent. Why would I? In matter of fact, someone berating me in the past about my leak of calling all-ins with low pocket pairs is the reason why I got better because that time, I considered joining cardschat. You don't want fishes to get better. I joke with the results of the hand, as I mentioned where one person has a set and other has flush draw, get their money in, and set hits his full house while flush draw gets his flush, then I say stuff like "well, at least you made your flush. " I don't know how that's offensive or berating or giving tells.

If someone berates my play, I would just respond like a silly person who didn't know what he's doing and who talks like result-oriented donkey. For example, i call someone's all-in with low pocket pair and they roll over AK and I roll over 55 and they are disgusted with my call, I just tell them "well, pair is better than Ace King high. so I called. "

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It was the more, the making weaker players uncomfortable at the table. They are the atms, make sure they enjoy themselves. Its not just about the money, it making sure the game is running tomorrow.

Ranny said:

It was the more, the making weaker players uncomfortable at the table. They are the atms, make sure they enjoy themselves. Its not just about the money, it making sure the game is running tomorrow.

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@duggs and @Ranny: I have never had problems finding people to play. If/when that happens, I'll consider your viewpoint. In the meantime, I'm not worried about running out of fish.

-HooDooKoo