Today at Commerce Poker Room

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Therschko

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Hey All ,

I"m new to this community and I"m hoping I can get some feedback. Today I was playing in the $200 cash game at The Commerce Casino in CA. Long story Short I was the button and was heads up against a player, that Raised the pot to 40 On the Turn, i re - raised him all in for another $41....he called.. final card came. I turned over my Pocket 7's he looked for 30 seconds, then slammed his cards down ( face down) onto the center of the table. The Dealer was protecting her muck pile and it was rather far back near her chip rack closer to seat 1. As she began to pull the two folded cards toward her muck pile, the player slammed his hands down on top of hers and physically pulled his cards out from under her hands revealing a straight....I was obviously disappointed and asked for a supervisor...he said that the cards technically never hit the muck and that it was ok for him to pull them from the dealers hands. I had never imagined that forward motion towards the muck, in addition to the dealer actually having the cards in her hand wouldn't be enough to have the call go in my favor....Any thoughts on this??? would love to hear...


thanks

Therschko
 
detroitjunkie

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different poker rooms have different rules. in our room if the dealer touches the cards its mucked, period - but we are harsh on this subject.

by some rules it is mucked, BUT there is precedence to getting the cards back if there was misinformation present for the player who mucked. if, and only if, the cards can be guaranteed to belong to that player can they be recovered (which it sounds like they were) and this is floors discretion in what they think is in the best interest of the game,

I hope two things happened.
1. The player said he misread the board, or heard you say something that wasnt true (or another player)
2. The floor gave the accidental mucker a warning

but since this was the Commerce I highly doubt it - I have known them to have many issues as a card room, this type of thing being one of them

Was it a bad floor decision? - tough to say but floor does have a right to call the cards live by rule, but really only if there is a good reason, which sounds like there was not one barring additional info.

again in my room I call that a muck, no questions asked, and it is a rule i made because of shitty play like this one, once the dealer touches the cards thats it!

oh and no it was NOT ok for the player to pull them from dealers hand - thats a warning for sure
 
lorres1991

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At some places the cards are not dead until they physically touch the muck. Anyways, he had the best hand, the cards were ultimately flipped over, that's that. If someone slams their cards down the wrong side, or tries to flip them over and they still land face down, trying to win the pot on a technicality isn't in the spirit of the game.
 
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