Their Money Their Hand...Why am I mad though?

Have you ever played at a house game, online , or casino and see what others cards were only to say " Why would they play that hand!" I have been there and my question to everyone else is Do I have a reason to be mad? I got A, A and they have 7,2 off suit and flop two pair...why would they call after I re raised??? Do we blame this on the followers of Dwan , just trying to immitate aggresive style??? Do I have a right to get mad? I mean its their money and they pay for each hand so I guess it's thier right to play it. I just think these players are adding a new style of poker ( which I don't like) but I honestly can't be mad but damn if I do. I've been to casinos and actually see high rollers get up and leave the tables frustrated because of this play. Just wanted to know how does cardschat community feels about this?

I play like this and the reason is this... If you raise or call a reraise, your opponent will most likely expect you to have high cards or a pair. It is then easier to get paid off when you flop a well disguised 2 pair or straight/flush on a seemingly dry board. Playing this way people look me up more often and i will also get paid on my big hands too.

We all get annoyed when we lose to guys who play like that but at the end of the day I am happy g for them to play like that because more often than not I will be taking their money. Good play will always get the better of luck in the long run.

Good topic. You see, I used to have a lot of the same feelings as you expressed in your post. I'm assuming that you are a very TAG player.

Some thoughts on this.

Take a look at your game; you may actually be weak tight not TAG. I was weak tight when I thought I was TAG at one point in my poker playing.

Instead of complaining about the masses, join them. Don't be afraid to run a bluff once in awhile and open up your range to suited connectors or gapped connectors. It will help your post flop game a great deal and ultimately make you a more dangerous opponent.

Understand that it does take talent to play so many hands and not got burned. You have to be super sharp on your reads to play a really LAG style well...so just don't dismiss these players as donkeys or whatever; they're not

Realize that as a TAG player, you don't win every time you get a big PP. There's a fine line between being aggressive with a big pair and being foolish. If its a scary board; SLOW DOWN! I'm not saying don't bet or be aggressive but if there are serious flush draws, straight draws, etc then play accordingly.

Realize the benefit of having these players at your table. Use their aggressiveness against them and trap them when u get a big hand. The same way they trap you when their trash hits 2 pair against your big pp.

I could go on but it took me a LONG time to really grasp and understand what I've just posted. I took two years away from poker for various reasons but while I was away, I did think about how I failed. This is where a lot of what I typed comes from.

You are mad at the poker gawds. Being mad at any particular player is absurd, unless he physically assaults you.

You are mad at the odds failing you.

These are things equivalent to being mad at gravity when you want to fly.

Every hand you play is a calculated risk. Over the long term the odds will prevail, but 80% to prevail means that 20% won't prevail.

However, it does seem to be that you, and I, and we all, do tend to put more emphasis on those failures than is justly due.

Don't get mad, strive to get even.

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That was a good thing to say. Odds dont always go the way they are suppose to. I have seen to many people go against the odds and win so odds dont mean everything

of course you have a right to be mad however there is a new style coming into the poker world thanks to durrr n some other top players but its there money n if they want to play 72 go right ahead u should be happy to play aa v 72 any day. your gunna lose sometimes but what its like 2 out of 10 the other 8 ull win so i encurage these players

This style is common now in online poker and probably started before durrrrr with Gus Hansen

while it will be frustrating as you will lose to what you will consider an inferior hand there is some merit to bringing some of this aspect into your own game sometimes

inti

no need to get mad in the long run playing good cards should pay off but there are always hiccups along the way

Tom1559 said:

We all get annoyed when we lose to guys who play like that but at the end of the day I am happy g for them to play like that because more often than not I will be taking their money. Good play will always get the better of luck in the long run.

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LoL. This doesn't ever seem to be the case with Tom Dwan. It seems he can play any hand and get paid regardless. Don't say because he plays it well, he usually does hit 2 pair or sets/full houses. I'm beginning to think that you can pritty much pay for a flop with rubbish cards and even if you get lucky 2/3times out of 10 then you're going to get paid well.

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IMO sounds like you tried to trap. I always raise at least 3bb with AA. Usually gets 72o to fold.

No matter what you do you will have players making that type of play. Like a few of the other members have said use that against them. Last night I had a player with largest chip stack at the table behind me doing the same thing. I waited for the right hand and I hit him hard for almost half his stack from then on no more problems. Are there not times when you are in the BB and limp in with junk get lucky and take someone down. it will balance it self out over the long run.

Thanks for the reply's . I just really wanted to know how everyone else felt about it. These high hands I know personally are not the best all the time. I would actually play a hand like 6,5 If I see a couple of raises and more then 2 players call. Its just sometimes some players who it seems they have no skills or knowledge of the game will win and I hate it,lol

It happens, you want action with AA. I laugh at people who say, "I don't want to play hands with people when I have AA". If you are deep stacked and you can put a guy on a big pair you should be calling with suited low cards. I'm still working on taking emotions out of my poker game. I still get really frustrated when a lose a $500+ pot when I statistically "should win".

I think one thing you have to think about it, if you are playing against 34 with AA you are never going to win a huge pot unless they flop two pair, and you "suck out" or something like that, so say they double up once out of 5 and you take it on the flop the other 4 times, I think they would end up? I havnt done the math on this but i think it would be a very close call, If they are bad LAG players and chase without the pot odds then you would probably end up.

imwatcher said:

If they are bad LAG players and chase without the pot odds then you would probably end up.

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This is the problem. The odds of flopping 2 pair, trips or a straight are less than 5%. The odds of flopping a straight or flush draw is about 19%. Most of the time you won't get there. You are losing money on your preflop call and when chasing most of the time.

I am a TAG player, I can see the advantages of it though, I think that it is losing play to call with a lot of marginal hands when you will be heads up, but I can definately see that it isn't easy to come to that conclusion

I think it just depends on the situation for the hand. Holding the A/A there, you couldve raised it up and got him to fold 7/2. As for getting mad, we all have our moments but honestly its more anger for the cards not falling your way.

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I think sometimes if you try to get tricky with your big hands, like limping JJ+,AQ+, you really can't complain when someone calls with 67 and flops a straight/2 pair/flush and you can't fold top pair. If you raise enough/ play it correctly, you can isolate and get heads up owith another decent hand and evaluate your options on the flop

begley01 said:

It happens, you want action with AA. I laugh at people who say, "I don't want to play hands with people when I have AA". If you are deep stacked and you can put a guy on a big pair you should be calling with suited low cards. I'm still working on taking emotions out of my poker game. I still get really frustrated when a lose a $500+ pot when I statistically "should win".

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I can relate with this (Real Well, Especially the 500+pot part)...I'm usually in utter Disgust with myself....