Targeting the rigged

Here's a thought for all you conspiracy theorists out there who think RNGs are rigged. Let's say you're at a table and someone has a couple bad beats against them. Do you then assume the game is rigged against them and start targeting that player? Trying to play in excessive hands just to get in a hand against them? Or maybe playing looser against them hoping it is rigged against them?
I mean if it is rigged against you then shouldn't it be +EV to identify others who it is rigged against and take advantage?

LMAO!
This is a very smart comment on where the "rigtard" attitude can lead you...
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This Fish Chums said:

Here's a thought for all you conspiracy theorists out there who think RNGs are rigged. Let's say you're at a table and someone has a couple bad beats against them. Do you then assume the game is rigged against them and start targeting that player? Trying to play in excessive hands just to get in a hand against them? Or maybe playing looser against them hoping it is rigged against them?
I mean if it is rigged against you then shouldn't it be +EV to identify others who it is rigged against and take advantage?

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You might want to reach out to the rigtards in the MEGA thread. I'm sure they'll have all sorts of interesting responses as to why that does or doesn't work out (ie. 'patterns').

Well plaid sir... well plaid.

I do not quite understand what you want to say. But I'm sure that RNG programs on poker sites are set up so that players who absolutely do not understand poker can win. The ultimate goal of any poker site is to collect as much rake from the players as possible and increase the profit of the owners of poker sites. Therefore, in the online game there are much more wins with abnormal cards and coolers. Which makes good players play in many tournaments or handouts per session to get the minimum plus.

Zvezda kz said:

I do not quite understand what you want to say. But I'm sure that RNG programs on poker sites are set up so that players who absolutely do not understand poker can win. The ultimate goal of any poker site is to collect as much rake from the players as possible and increase the profit of the owners of poker sites. Therefore, in the online game there are much more wins with abnormal cards and coolers. Which makes good players play in many tournaments or handouts per session to get the minimum plus.

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Very interesting theory! Now prove it. (but can you maybe do that in the 'MEGA' thread because I don't think it's on topic for this thread)

We are all going to have a bad time at the tables, maybe it is due to lack of constriction or various aspects that affect our way of acting or playing something that happens to all of us at some time in our lives and for that reason I do not think we should to think that the jeugo is rigged or tricked so that this person wins or that is my way of thinking

Playing online has one very important factor many people don't understand, that is the 'Account' you are playing with that actually determine the result, not the player behind the screen that is playing. If you play live game this will not happen.
Imagine this,
A normal driver seated in a Mercedes benz with faulty brake. The chances of him dying his very high.
But if it is Lewis Hamilton driving it, he might not die, but more or less he will get injured.
There are days when you log into your account to play, no matter how skillful you are, even you flopped the nut flush, you will still lose to runner runner fullhouse.
But there will be days when you are in BB position with 25 offsuit, you get flop 3,4,9, turn a K and then river and Ace. And then someone with hand you a fullpot of chip with his Aces.

This RNG thingy has only 1 primary objective, that is to make sure the site make money with as much rake as possible.
It will flop you the nut flush for you to lose big and it can crack the Aces for you to win big too.
The whole idea is to rotate the fund around between players which eventually get sucked by the rake.

Why do you think online pro complain about not able to beat the rake even though they are better skilled?

What you said is right. If you are observant enough to target those playing account that the RNG are against them on that particular day and also avoid crashing with them when the RNG are in their favor.

I this thought very often have been arguing communicate, and contribute clarity, that there is domination but to this reveal certainly, will require not one day game, and even if this is so, comes time when even those who ate shit and had almost always advantage not can always show the first outcome.

I forgot to mention something regarding RNG.
Slot machine has it too which are programmed to a certain percentage of winning for the operator and to determine how much payout for random hand.
Imagine this,
When you hit a jackpot bonus which require you to chose 1 out 3 boxes for a prize for you.
Do you think you are actually making a choice?
Or do you think the result is already predetermine by the system on how much jackpot you gonna hit?

This Fish Chums said:

Here's a thought for all you conspiracy theorists out there who think RNGs are rigged. Let's say you're at a table and someone has a couple bad beats against them. Do you then assume the game is rigged against them and start targeting that player? Trying to play in excessive hands just to get in a hand against them? Or maybe playing looser against them hoping it is rigged against them?
I mean if it is rigged against you then shouldn't it be +EV to identify others who it is rigged against and take advantage?

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Give a hungry guy a fish he doesn't go hungry today, teach him to fish he never goes hungry.

Ill bite since I'm one of the bigger rigtard fish that has taken many of your chips. To play accordingly as you suggest could work if it was truly a targeted player system. But targeting everyone and using various ways is better suited. Every site has its own method and software. Why i always say play a few sites and see what works for you.

Lets look back a few months when i suggested that the run outs on the cash game was different than the tourney. You guys laughed and used the names to control the agenda. Site started having issues and cash stay up and tourneys go down. Finally rep came out and explained the two are on different servers. Meaning different rng. Observant am i? Crickets

No one has ever concluded that you cant make money on a programmed site, hate to use rigged. My favorite is so and so made millions. Doesn't mean it wasn't rigged to maximize rake. Doesn't mean they didn't use a pattern or two. Doesn't mean they didn't cheat? I mean no one cheats right? Its the rake. Higher stakes has less rake percentage than lower stakes. Who plays the lower stakes, not the professional. If pros complain about beating the rake be real. Majority are the fish. Who really finances the site. The fish. Who wouldn't have a clue , the fish.

My other is the pattern. You should be killing it. When those do show up i do kill it. Also depends on if it cash or tourney. At first it threw me off that certain set ups that are consistent on tourney didn't fare so well on cash tables. Now i know different servers/rng it makes since. How many patterns are there? Two of my hands you would never play but have proven themselves. Give me time.

Last why would they chance getting caught. Reputation and all? Get caught change the name and do it again. Getting caught would be the hard part. How could you prove it? You cant. You cant see the programming code its not disclosed information. You rely on audits that monitor your whole cards. Really that will do it?

Guess you could say hook, line, and sinker. You got me

YKCaiTLH1314 said:

I forgot to mention something regarding RNG.
Slot machine has it too which are programmed to a certain percentage of winning for the operator and to determine how much payout for random hand.
Imagine this,
When you hit a jackpot bonus which require you to chose 1 out 3 boxes for a prize for you.
Do you think you are actually making a choice? Or do you think the result is already predetermine by the system on how much jackpot you gonna hit?

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From what I am told about how these are designed you are actually making a choice on these bonus games.

It is always an interesting topic because of what has happened in the past at other sites like Absolute Poker. Even if you are not concerned that things are rigged, you cant always rule out cheating or collusion.

The only thing I try not to do is go 100% one way or the other. It is my desire to remain open minded.

I too have seen some very strange things but I am not going to jump on the rigged train just yet. But at most sites I wont play cash and only tournament as there is a little less incentive to cheat or collude.

I have no reason to believe that pokerstars would prefer to have player A suck out on player B. It does seem strange that sometimes it seems you can do no wrong and hit every flop. It hasnt lasted the whole tournament for me but for others it seems to. Other times I jam into the big stack and double up.

The interesting thing is that yesterday on a podcast even Nick Howard is noticing what he calls an anomaly on ignition right now and although not quick to jump aboard the rigged train, he discussed how he is taking a closer look and collecting information from others on another poker forum that I am afraid to mention because I dont know if that is a violation of policy here.

This Fish Chums said:

Here's a thought for all you conspiracy theorists out there who think RNGs are rigged. Let's say you're at a table and someone has a couple bad beats against them. Do you then assume the game is rigged against them and start targeting that player? Trying to play in excessive hands just to get in a hand against them? Or maybe playing looser against them hoping it is rigged against them?
I mean if it is rigged against you then shouldn't it be +EV to identify others who it is rigged against and take advantage?

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You're assuming you can tell who is on a programmed run-bad and how long it is set to last. It's not really like that, but yes to a certain extent you can target players who are due to lose a particular hand.

In the SHORT run it is rake that give the sites profit.

But in the LONG run it is players that deposit new money to the "eco-system". Otherwise the games would soon die out.

I don't thing good players are willing to deposit on a site that give them a lot of bad beats just to keep the bad players in the game.

ChickenArise said:

From what I am told about how these are designed you are actually making a choice on these bonus games.

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Yes indeed you choose the feature on how the prize being presented to you but not the amount.
It's already predetermine on how much you gonna strike the moment you hit the Spin button.
Example, if you hit the spin button at the specific random timing the RNG is running inside the machine, it will trigger a payout. Also, it's already fixed on the amount. Say this hand it's gonna payout $2000 on a bonus. Regardless any 3 of the bonus feature you select, the amount is still $2000.
Feature A will present you with 6 free spin with 5x multiplier which consist of $2000
Feature B will present you with 12 free spin with 3x multiplier which consist of $2000
Feature C will present you with 15 free spin with 2x multiplier which consist of $2000

No matter which you choose, the result is still the same.

The logic is simple and easy, it's pure facts.
The moment a hand being dealt, nothing you do will change the next 5 community cards to be presented.
Only difference is how you play it.

Why is it that whenever someone being dealt with KK or premium, surely another person will hold a monster hand to compete with?
So that more money will go into the pot.
So that more rake to be suck.

No point in making effort looking for players you think this the game is rigged against, so many of these players identify themselves by saying "this is game is rigged" and then target them if you believe this happens in online poker!

pjokay said:

No point in making effort looking for players you think this the game is rigged against, so many of these players identify themselves by saying "this is game is rigged" and then target them if you believe this happens in online poker!

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I tell you its rigged when i take your chips.......Seeing a set up is awesome. I love after i win a big pot i seem to get ace premium a lot. You know what also happens the big looser usually get a really nice hand that followed that big loss. Which is funny most your chips are gone anyways.

If you dont see it it bites you. Just like the flop two pair. I keep it low because i know by river they will better you. Im not talking straight or flush draws. Those are obvious.

I dont mind thank you:ciao:

This Fish Chums said:

Here's a thought for all you conspiracy theorists out there who think RNGs are rigged. Let's say you're at a table and someone has a couple bad beats against them. Do you then assume the game is rigged against them and start targeting that player? Trying to play in excessive hands just to get in a hand against them? Or maybe playing looser against them hoping it is rigged against them?
I mean if it is rigged against you then shouldn't it be +EV to identify others who it is rigged against and take advantage?

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You should attack them hoping they're tilted, the rigged thing would just be confirmation bias if it actually worked.

I've had bad beats at the casino that made me think that the automatic card shuffler was rigged to favor the prop players paid by the casino. When you sit down at the table and give your player rewards card to the dealer it records what seat you are sitting at. It would not be that hard to program the automatic card shuffler to rig the deck in favor of the prop players. I do not think that the casinos are actually doing that but it is just a thought that crossed my mind when I got 1 outed on the river for around $400.

rmcmullen2003 said:

I've had bad beats at the casino that made me think that the automatic card shuffler was rigged to favor the prop players paid by the casino. When you sit down at the table and give your player rewards card to the dealer it records what seat you are sitting at. It would not be that hard to program the automatic card shuffler to rig the deck in favor of the prop players. I do not think that the casinos are actually doing that but it is just a thought that crossed my mind when I got 1 outed on the river for around $400.

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Very entertaining when you have to say that one time this happen. Or you see hands faster online.... dua.

Look beats happen live yes. You really have to play both regularly. You would see its the ratio is higher online. 2,000 hand session would be faster online but the monster on monster ratio is much higher. Faster i understand but higher ratio needs more explaining.

Cash table are great examples. Short handed you should see very few monster on monster. Its by design is all. You have to adjust and make better decisions. Dont expect higher profits as fast. No one said it cant be done.
See u at the tables/

Everyone believes that luck is against him. And when luck is on your side, it is forgotten.

ChickenArise said:

It is always an interesting topic because of what has happened in the past at other sites like Absolute Poker. Even if you are not concerned that things are rigged, you cant always rule out cheating or collusion.

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Absolutely correct. I find it even somewhat funny for on line players to lose so much energy on arguing 'rigged' RNG over which we can only loosely and anecdotally speculate, while we have confirmed history of bots, collusions etc. which are next to impossible to entirely or even partially eradicate from any on line poker site. Those threaten to kill on line poker more then anything else.

More like BINGO

I don't think I would say it's rigged but more the problem is that you have such a wide range of players with varying experience levels.

I find most bad beats happen because someone played cards that should have never been played (ie, 2, 10 off suit). I have seen it many times, 5 people in the pot 4 people have pocket face cards or A/K, A/J and they all get taken out by that 2, 10 off suit. All I can wonder is why the hell did that 2, 10 off suit push all in pre-flop?

It's just doesn't make sense and actually discourages me from playing at times. I mean my goal is to become a better poker player and it is hard to improve your skills when so many people are playing BINGO instead!