taking chips off table

dead homie · May 31, 2013

do you think you should be allowed to take money off table?

i dont like to play with a big stack in case i lose a big hand so i just leave if i win, but i i could take money off table i would stay, it seems like casinos would be better off if they let people do it.

besides its my money let me do what i want with it

JusSumguy · May 31, 2013

It's called going south, and it's a no no for many reasons.

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Aces2w1n · May 31, 2013

If you don't want money on the table.. Request a transfer

fletchdad · May 31, 2013

Sure. If you are done, take your money off the table. Go home.

No problem.

ph0n3_j4ck · May 31, 2013

I don't like the idea of taking away chips from a table, but I'm definitely fine with people taking chips away cause it'll be better for me. If you think about it, you have WAY more control with a bigger stack. Ex: if you're playing $1/2/2 (thats what they usually have at casinos to incite more action), I would much rather have a $600 stack to bully around the shorter <100$ stacks. Lets just say they're a lot more vulnerable.

glenn6971 · May 31, 2013

Going south is not recommended. If you are going to take chips off the table then leave

OzExorcist · Jun 1, 2013

N'yeah... just don't do this. At least, not in a game you'd like to be invited back to.

Even if you don't think it's wrong to be denying the people you've been winning money the chance to win it back, managing your image and keeping fish at the table is a huge part of being successful in live poker. If you piss everybody at the table off by going south (and whether they're right to be or not, the vast majority of players will be pissed if the find out you're taking money off the table) then you'll fast find yourself running out of customers.

S3mper · Jun 1, 2013

There are only two reasons you should take money off the tbale 1.) you are leaving 2.) For tipping the dealer Don't go south they lost the war...

S3mper · Jun 1, 2013

Going south is an insult heres a video on it =)

shakey1985 · Jun 1, 2013

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to have as much money as possible on the table...at least to have everybody else covered.

What if you get dealt AA and your opponent with 100bb+ is willing to get it all in pre-flop with like KK or AK and you only have 40bb? Can you please explain to me why this is desirable?

shakey1985 · Jun 1, 2013

dead homie said:
...it seems like casinos would be better off if they let people do it.

How so?

Let's say there's 6 players, each playing 100bb. The casino can potentially rake a 600bb pot (assuming every player gets it all in at one time). If player A wins 50bb in a pot then takes that off the table, then there is 550bb left...then player B wins 40bb in a pot and there is 510bb left on the table...and so on. It works out bad for the casino, surely?

I'm pretty drunk at the moment, but equally sure my primary school maths is in order. But, correct me if I'm wrong.

shakey1985 · Jun 1, 2013

...my comment above ignores the rake taken from the two pots won, but the point still stands...if you take the money off the table, it's not going to be bet again and the Casino is not going to be able to rake it in future pots. Yes/No?

Four Dogs · Jun 1, 2013

shakey1985 said:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want to have as much money as possible on the table...at least to have everybody else covered.

What if you get dealt AA and your opponent with 100bb+ is willing to get it all in pre-flop with like KK or AK and you only have 40bb? Can you please explain to me why this is desirable?

If you're properly rolled and you feel like you have an edge over the rest of the players then yes, IMO it's always better to have the table covered. But that is not to say that playing a short stack is negative EV. Playing a deep stack forces you into more post flop decisions where the better players have an advantage but playing a short stack dramatically simplifies the game. You will find more situations where it is correct to get it in pre-flop or say on the flop with TPTK. And that is why removing chips from the table shouldn't be allowed. I have no problem with buying in short, but once you've doubled through you shouldn't be allowed to keep squirreling chips off the table in order to stay short stacked.

shakey1985 · Jun 1, 2013

Four Dogs said:
If you're properly rolled and you feel like you have an edge over the rest of the players then yes, IMO it's always better to have the table covered. But that is not to say that playing a short stack is negative EV. Playing a deep stack forces you into more post flop decisions where the better players have an advantage but playing a short stack dramatically simplifies the game. You will find more situations where it is correct to get it in pre-flop or say on the flop with TPTK. And that is why removing chips from the table shouldn't be allowed. I have no problem with buying in short, but once you've doubled through you shouldn't be allowed to keep squirreling chips off the table in order to stay short stacked.

I wasn't implying that playing a short stack is negative EV. Obviously if you do it right then it isn't. But, if the reason you're playing a short stack is because you're not suitably rolled for the stakes you're playing at (refer to OP's first post here or their other thread where they say they're afraid of losing their buy-in) then that is negative EV, no?

Also, with regards to OP's point - It's generally considered good etiquette in most/any game* after beating somebody to hang around for a reasonable amount of time to give them a chance to win their losses back off you, so taking the money off the table or leaving the table and moving to another is pretty shitty.

*I'm fairly new to poker, but I've played competitively in other games, and I assume it's the same?

(As always - Excuse my drunkeness, please correct anything I've said that is wrong).

Tom1559 · Jun 1, 2013

I could see other players getting pretty upset if someone wins a big hand and then takes the winnings off the table not giving the other players a chance to win it back. Leaving after big win is allowed but in live games it is not well received by other players. I have seen some live games where you need to commit to a minimum time.

aa88wildbill · Jun 1, 2013

You shouldn't be allowed to take some of the chips off the table. If you wanna leave then take all your chips and leave. If you're allowed to take some of your chips off the table, are you really playing no limit? You're trying to use that as a stopgap measure, for no limit games.If you wanna play limit or pot limit games than go play them, stay off that no limit tables. It's that simple.

OzExorcist · Jun 2, 2013

shakey1985 said:
...my comment above ignores the rake taken from the two pots won, but the point still stands...if you take the money off the table, it's not going to be bet again and the Casino is not going to be able to rake it in future pots. Yes/No?

Effectively yes, though the difference to the amount the casino makes isn't huge.

In your original example it wouldn't have made a difference at all because in games where the casino rakes a percentage of the pot, there should be a cap on that rake (5% capped at $10, for example). So it doesn't matter if a pot is $200, $500 or $5000, they're still only raking $10.

Any money taken off the table is money the casino can't rake though so yes, it might affect the total amount they can rake from the player in future pots.

A bigger problem for the casino though would be other players getting pissed and leaving because the house is allowing players to go south and I suspect that is one of the big reasons they enforce the rule.

vinnie · Jun 2, 2013

I guess I don't like this, because I've always known it was not allowed. I've never seen a house rule that would allow a player to take chips off the table. I've played with open-stakes (my family is sick), but once money was on the table, it couldn't leave until the player did.

If players were worried about having too much money at risk, I would rather see a cap. Like cap all betting at 200xbb (or whatever). That way, you could have 500xbb on the table but only lose 200xbb in a single hand. I am not a fan of low caps (like FTP used to do) like 40xbb. But, deep caps are fine. That's if everyone is playing really deep.

In any case, leave the money on the table. If you're not comfortable losing it all, don't put it in the middle. Of course, that's a good way to lose it a bit at a time until you give up and walk away.

S3mper · Jun 3, 2013

shakey1985 said:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want to have as much money as possible on the table...at least to have everybody else covered.

What if you get dealt AA and your opponent with 100bb+ is willing to get it all in pre-flop with like KK or AK and you only have 40bb? Can you please explain to me why this is desirable?[/quote
the reason you would want to take chips off the table is because it minimizes your risk at the table like if you start out with 100BB and you double up you now have 200BB and if some one else is 200BB deep or 150BB+ and you get coolered you lose less if you take money off the table makes it guaranteed that you have a winning session or not a losing one

BayAreaSteve · Jun 3, 2013

Shake,

Just gotta hijack me a giant atta-boy. Sound advice with a drunken disclaimer is frickin' beautiful, sir.

Of course I mean, we all ought not drink, but barring that, sound advice/disclaimer is strong. Abstainers don't know 'bout that...

XXPXXP · Jun 5, 2013

you may find a "CAP" table, which means

you need to bring a max Big blinds , like 40bbs? if you have 400bb, you could ONLY bring 40bb, so the same to other players.

i think that is the kind of cash table you want to find.

utilizatorus · Jun 5, 2013

not "going south" but dirty character.

a lot of people here did not understood the message too well. you want to leave the table if you lose and play some more if everything's going good for you. what a bad character, mate.

sometimes you lose and sometimes you win. going south means "stealing", and that's not the case here, but it's maybe even worse.. what if, every player in the world whould do exactly same thing?! there won't be any games at the table, there won't be any loses or winnings. you wish to have some secure? take a job.

OzExorcist · Jun 5, 2013

XXPXXP said:
you may find a "CAP" table, which means

you need to bring a max Big blinds , like 40bbs? if you have 400bb, you could ONLY bring 40bb, so the same to other players.

i think that is the kind of cash table you want to find.

Most tables have a buyin limit (usually 100BB, sometimes less, occasionally more), but it only applies to the amount you first sit down with. If you sit down with 100BB and then double up, they don't force you to take half your stack off the table. So once the game has been going for a while you'll find players with all sorts of stack sizes.

There are games that cap the amount you can lose in any one hand (no more than 50BB per player, or whatever the figure might be) but I've only ever seen them online, not live, because they'd be a nightmare for the dealers to keep track of and enforce.

marcumx · Jun 5, 2013

i don't see the big deal but i'm sure if you ask the dealer to move to a different seat it may be allowed. The way i do it , is say i buy in for 100 and tripple it up, i move to another table and just put 100 on that one. you don't HAVE to put your whole chip stack on a table..but i'm sure you can't just remove it. regardless ...ask the dealer or poker room director.

fletchdad · Jun 6, 2013

studaddy420 said:
i don't see the big deal but i'm sure if you ask the dealer to move to a different seat it may be allowed. The way i do it , is say i buy in for 100 and tripple it up, i move to another table and just put 100 on that one. you don't HAVE to put your whole chip stack on a table..but i'm sure you can't just remove it. regardless ...ask the dealer or poker room director.

So the room you play at lets you triple (or simply improve your stack) and move tables with 1 BI on a regular basis?

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