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Recently I've been seriously considering quitting MTTs and switching to cash games. My goal is to try to make consistent profit from poker and cash games seem like a much more feasible way of doing that. At the moment I just feel burned out by the uncertainty and variance in MTTs, all the time spent playing MTTs without anything to show for it. With cash games I can start and stop or leave a table when I want, and this works so much better for me psychologically and in terms of scheduling as well.

I will continue to play freerolls and take shots at the occasional MTT and especially big events (like the Venom) to try to boost my bankroll, but want focus more on cash. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
 
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Hello. I play mostly MTT. Switching from MTT to cash has always been disastrous for my bankroll..:confused:
 
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Hi, if you are not a full-time player which means if you don't depend on poker for a living, you don't really need to do cash game, even though the money is always in CG of course. What i suggest is 4 multi-tabling max, 2 MTT and 2 CG at the same time. When both MTT ends, call it the day. Play TAG style in CG so you can get your money back for the MTT buy-in.

I noticed you are ACR player so the recent Freebuy is something you should take advantage of. So far, i cashed 21 of the 70 Freebuys and 6 from the breast cancer. Total about $300+ profit from strictly no rebuy and no addon.

My thought for you is, don't stop MTT. Even after the freebuy event, keep playing those micro-low buy-in.
I am 2 wins, 189 ITM, 22% ROI from more than 600 paying MTT in nearly 6 months. Buy in from $0.50 - $55

You don't get result as you wished for in MTT my friend, but when a good result came...you feel so Freaking good that some say it's better than sex...lol
So, see you in ACR MTT. My screen name is SYKC
May the Run Good be with you.
 
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Just give a try to cash games If you feel comfortable playing them go ahead..But remember that you can lose faster your money...Good luck man!
 
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XYZ2123 said:
Recently I've been seriously considering quitting MTTs and switching to cash games. My goal is to try to make consistent profit from poker and cash games seem like a much more feasible way of doing that. At the moment I just feel burned out by the uncertainty and variance in MTTs, all the time spent playing MTTs without anything to show for it. With cash games I can start and stop or leave a table when I want, and this works so much better for me psychologically and in terms of scheduling as well.

I will continue to play freerolls and take shots at the occasional MTT and especially big events (like the Venom) to try to boost my bankroll, but want focus more on cash. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
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Be careful.cash games can be brutal! Good luck
 
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The variance of the cash game is much tougher than the mtt and requires much more discipline evaluate if you are prepared for it
 
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It 's an eternal argument that 's better than MTT or Cash... You should try. In any case, it will be a useful experience. But don 't forget it 's a different discipline (variety) of poker. I hope you will share your results with us. Good luck to you.
 
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"My goal is to try to make consistent profit from poker". Your statement sounds ambiguous enough for me to hope you can change your mind, and change your goal from making profit to having fun. If you are having fun, then profit becomes just a welcome bonus and your mind and spirit become free of the burdens of having to show a result. Good luck in everything you do!
 
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Akinled said:
Hello. I play mostly MTT. Switching from MTT to cash has always been disastrous for my bankroll..:confused:
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i agree, for bankroll mngmnt ive focused more on MTT than cash as well. i find the variance hits me more in cash than mtt
 
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Best thing is to focus is a single model and do not try to do both at the same time, otherwise you will loose your focus and not be able to play well none ...
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variance is definitely higher in cash games...I used to only play cash games and did ok but eventually switched to just playing sngs and mtts...I don't play cash games too often anymore...I might have acash table open while grinding in a tourney and just wait for good hands to play but still I prefer to just playing sngs and mtt...

good luck to you in what3ver you decide...
 
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MTT has obviously MUCH more variance than Cash Games.

With higher blinds at the end game and a top heavy pay-out structure that should be obvious to anyone.

If you don't believe me just Google it.

Almost no pro plays MTTs as their main income if they have 100% of themselves.

If some if the thread feels more comfortable playing MTTs or likes MTTs better it is possible that they gets more confidence and experience and therefore in relative terms are better in tournaments.

BUT almost all winning players play mainly cash for a steady "safe" income (if they don't multi-table like 24 tables MTTs online to reduce variance) .

Freerolls and Freebuys doss not count of course since you can win but almost never lose anything but your time.

You must compare tournaments with a buy-in of at least a dollar with cash games maybe 5-10NL to make a fair comparison.

The only thing that is an advantage in MTTs are that the players in general are worse than in cash. But even if you are twice as good as the field it is not like you get twice the chance to win due to the all-in play at the end game that is mostly luck because most players don't do big mistakes with a 10BB stack.

So at lest learn to win at the lower stake in cash games. You will be a better poker player in general, not just in cash. But also in MTTs you will improve. You get more training post flop and playing with deep stacks for example.

Anyone can get a chart for push-fold poker at the end of MTTs. Hardly any edge in that left.
 
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pentazepam said:
MTT has obviously MUCH more variance than Cash Games.

With higher blinds at the end game and a top heavy pay-out structure that should be obvious to anyone.

If you don't believe me just Google it.

Almost no pro plays MTTs as their main income if they have 100% of themselves.

If some if the thread feels more comfortable playing MTTs or likes MTTs better it is possible that they gets more confidence and experience and therefore in relative terms are better in tournaments.

BUT almost all winning players play mainly cash for a steady "safe" income (if they don't multi-table like 24 tables MTTs online to reduce variance) .

Freerolls and Freebuys doss not count of course since you can win but almost never lose anything but your time.

You must compare tournaments with a buy-in of at least a dollar with cash games maybe 5-10NL to make a fair comparison.

The only thing that is an advantage in MTTs are that the players in general are worse than in cash. But even if you are twice as good as the field it is not like you get twice the chance to win due to the all-in play at the end game that is mostly luck because most players don't do big mistakes with a 10BB stack.

So at lest learn to win at the lower stake in cash games. You will be a better poker player in general, not just in cash. But also in MTTs you will improve. You get more training post flop and playing with deep stacks for example.

Anyone can get a chart for push-fold poker at the end of MTTs. Hardly any edge in that left.
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I agree with almost all of your post...... except >>>
A $1 MTT doesn't compare with 5nl 10nl cashgame online. I'd say more like a $10 mtt compares with 5nl ZOOM... or 10nl regular tables

There are lots of regulars (some who are pros) who 'only' play MTT's.

But I agree with the rest of what you've written.
 
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XYZ2123 said:
Recently I've been seriously considering quitting MTTs and switching to cash games. My goal is to try to make consistent profit from poker and cash games seem like a much more feasible way of doing that. At the moment I just feel burned out by the uncertainty and variance in MTTs, all the time spent playing MTTs without anything to show for it. With cash games I can start and stop or leave a table when I want, and this works so much better for me psychologically and in terms of scheduling as well.

I will continue to play freerolls and take shots at the occasional MTT and especially big events (like the Venom) to try to boost my bankroll, but want focus more on cash. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
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I switched over 5yrs. ago.
I just didn't have the time to commit to playing MTT's. Years ago I played dozens of private tourneys (cash added).. sometimes literally dozens of them in one day and because of that it worked out well for me to add in MTT-SNG, SNG & some MTT's on the weekends.
Those games disappeared. I didn't have the time to play MTT's so I switched over to cash tables.
On US sites I gradually moved up to 25nl & 50nl
On ROW sites I played mostly micro stuff. (ZooM, FastForward, SNAP, SPEED).
I didn't make much but they were steady bankroll builders which was nice vs. the steady drain of MTT's.

These days I've been thinking of getting back to MTT's. (sometimes on Sundays I'll reg. to a few). So far today I've been reminded "Why in the ___k do I play these?" While it's great to see there are many bad players in them... it can be a bit depressing :)
 
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Likewise man! After months of grinding tourneys on Bovada, I got sick of the long sessions and found myself wanting it to be over with each day. Switched over recently and my passion for studying the game is finally back.
I'm already seeing a tad noticeable difference in my post flop game and tourneys just feels so much less stressful whenever I play one here and there.
 
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pentazepam said:
MTT has obviously MUCH more variance than Cash Games.
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Totally agree with this. Sometimes I wish I was drawn to lower variance styles of poker, but tournament poker brings out my competitive drive in a way that I don’t think cash ever totally will. Still, as much as I prefer tourneys, cash def has the lower variance thing going for it!
 
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XYZ2123 said:
Recently I've been seriously considering quitting MTTs and switching to cash games. My goal is to try to make consistent profit from poker and cash games seem like a much more feasible way of doing that. At the moment I just feel burned out by the uncertainty and variance in MTTs, all the time spent playing MTTs without anything to show for it. With cash games I can start and stop or leave a table when I want, and this works so much better for me psychologically and in terms of scheduling as well.

I will continue to play freerolls and take shots at the occasional MTT and especially big events (like the Venom) to try to boost my bankroll, but want focus more on cash. Thoughts and suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
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Thank U 4 Posting.

When switching to cash games one must focus on their play post flop. With stacks almost always above 50 bb our post flop mistakes are magnified. MTT players have the least practice post flop as most tournament hands are played in descending frequency preflop -flop -turn- seldom river.

In cash games it is possible to get only 2 streets of value and more often you want to get that value turn -river not preflop -flop. One reason is that turn -river value is much greater than preflop -flop value. The big bets come on the turn and river. So when we miss play our hand, we can lose on the river 40+ BB. In many MTT hands we would only have 25 BB stacks to start.

As to mental anguish.
Many MTT players like getting all in preflop or flop because they make no mistakes on the turn and river. You will now be making many more mistakes or perceived mistakes because you will be playing many more turn and rivers.

Which means we must be better at refining our hand ranges on each street to have the optimal range on the river. We cannot focus on relying on hand strength preflop.

Hope this helps

:):)
 
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championship 5 times a week

If you can also win the championship in a small tournament 5 times a week, even a cash game is quite hopeful.

Anyhow even heads-up of last 1vs1 has to win against to say a championship, so the one called a championship 5 times a week is a considerable strong contestant.
 
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