String bets

ukaliks · Aug 9, 2009

ok say its befor the flop and i dont say raise and shove some chips over the line. Is this a string bet or jus a normal raise?
I kinda know that a string bet is lettin chips drop one by one over the line, which is not allowed but am i allowed to jus shove sum chips all at once and not say raise?

Thanks, jus lil bit confused bout this as im still gettin the hang of live poker play.

Mase31683 · Aug 9, 2009

That's a raise.

You can't put chips out, go back to your stack and put more out. If you shove a pile out, it counts.

Ranger390 · Aug 9, 2009

Yes, but...at least at my local casino, if you do not announce raise, but put in more chips than required to limp, you have only called and not raised. For example, at a $1/$2 No Limit table, if you must put in $2 to limp/call preflop, but instead you put a $25 chip in the pot without announcing a raise, you have only called and you will receive $23 change from the dealer.

wbread86 · Aug 9, 2009

That's a little different. The general rule at casinos i've been to is if you put an oversize chip in and don't announce raise it's a call. If you put multiple chips in that is more than calling it's a raise whether you announce raise or not.

OzExorcist · Aug 9, 2009

Not really enough information there to know.

If, in a single motion, you put out a stack / pile / whatever of chips then that stands as your bet / raise*.

It's only a string bet if you put out a bunch of chips in one motion, then go back to your stack and put out a second bunch of chips.

Just to make things fun, BTW, in some casinos the "betting line" is non-binding (ie: chips aren't necessarily construed as a bet and cards aren't assumed to be folded just because they're over the line) and different casinos have different ideas about what constitutes a betting motion (some say it's just forward motion, some say it's not a bet until you release the chips - see the hilarious Russian player's angle shoot during the 2008 Main Event).

In any case, if you verbally declare what you're going to do ("Bet $50" or "Raise $150 more") then your verbal action is binding and you're allowed to go back to your stack as many times as you like to get the right number of chips out in front of you.

Always declare your bets verbally and you can't go wrong.

* Assuming that there's enough chips in your stack / pile / whatever to constitute at least the minimum bet or raise in the first place - some other fun stuff happens if you somehow manage to get that wrong.

OzExorcist · Aug 9, 2009

You might find this thread useful, BTW:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/playing-live-what-you-need-know-114205/

Mase31683 · Aug 9, 2009

Yeah, I got pissed at Foxwoods. There's no bet line. The rule (that I didn't know) is any chips in front of your cards is a bet. I keep my cards tucked to the rail, and when action was on me, the dealer announced me all in, and put the chips in the middle.

ukaliks · Aug 10, 2009

Mase31683 said:
Yeah, I got pissed at Foxwoods. There's no bet line. The rule (that I didn't know) is any chips in front of your cards is a bet. I keep my cards tucked to the rail, and when action was on me, the dealer announced me all in, and put the chips in the middle.

lol ouch! that sucks! They realy shud a a bet line on that table or cancel out that rule.

I tend to announce my bets and raises when playin live poker jus so i know that ive made the correct move so i can make the correct amount to bet aswell, jus seems intresting when ppl dont say anythin n move a stack of chips to the middle. I doubts i'll do that and keep on verbaly annocing my moves to keep me on the safe side.

left52side · Aug 10, 2009

In my local casino here in florida,you have to announce raise or it will just be a call.
I have gotten into arguments before over this topic,because at another casino in tunica I play at often never had anything like that.

Yeah, I got pissed at Foxwoods. There's no bet line. The rule (that I didn't know) is any chips in front of your cards is a bet. I keep my cards tucked to the rail, and when action was on me, the dealer announced me all in, and put the chips in the middle.

I would definatly protest this action on foxwoods myself.
I think for shure you have to announce all in to be considered all in.
Unless it is a forced all in from the blinds....

allndave · Aug 10, 2009

i was going to say allways check what the house rules are before playing, but i think the responses allready givin point that out very well.

SavagePenguin · Aug 10, 2009

Oz has it down for most casinos.

If you announce "Raise to $100" then you can do the hokey-pokey with your chips, just as long as $100 ends up in the pot.

Putting a big chip in without saying "raise" is considered a call. You get change back.

Saying "raise" then putting in a big chip is a raise.

Putting in a big chip then saying "raise" is string bet, which is not legal, so it is considered a call and you get change back.

Putting in multiple chips, but going back to put more in is a string bet, and the extra chips do not count. If your first motion put less than 2x the last bet, the extra chips go back to your stack. (That is, with 5/10 blinds if you put in 18, then put in 30 more, the 30 is returned and the 8 is returned because it was not enough for a raise so it was just a call. But if you put 23 in then put in 30 more with a second motion, the 30 is returned and the BB will have to put in 13 to call you.)

F Paulsson · Aug 10, 2009

One thing I haven't seen covered yet is this: Say "raise" (but state no amount) and you can put in chips in several motions if you like. Once you look like you're done, the dealer will announce the size of the raise. For example: Guy to your left bets $20. You say "I'm going to raise." then proceed to match his bet before you start counting up your raise. This (at least in all the Vegas casinos I played) is perfectly legal.

OzExorcist · Aug 10, 2009

F Paulsson said:
One thing I haven't seen covered yet is this: Say "raise" (but state no amount) and you can put in chips in several motions if you like. Once you look like you're done, the dealer will announce the size of the raise. For example: Guy to your left bets $20. You say "I'm going to raise." then proceed to match his bet before you start counting up your raise. This (at least in all the Vegas casinos I played) is perfectly legal.

The general rule if you say "raise" but don't nominate an amount is that you can put out the right amount for the call, then make one additional motion to put out the amount you're raising.

You can fiddle about next to your stack or behind your cards or whatever to assemble the chips for the raise, but you're still only allowed to make the one additional betting motion.

Entirely possible this is one that will definitely change from venue to venue though as everyone has different ideas about what is right - as the Foxwoods example demonstrates.

ukaliks · Aug 16, 2009

cheers guy. thanks for the help!!! =)
Goin to casino on wed night to rape those fish!!!

StormRaven · Aug 16, 2009

OzExorcist said:
Not really enough information there to know.

If, in a single motion, you put out a stack / pile / whatever of chips then that stands as your bet / raise*.

It's only a string bet if you put out a bunch of chips in one motion, then go back to your stack and put out a second bunch of chips.

Just to make things fun, BTW, in some casinos the "betting line" is non-binding (ie: chips aren't necessarily construed as a bet and cards aren't assumed to be folded just because they're over the line) and different casinos have different ideas about what constitutes a betting motion (some say it's just forward motion, some say it's not a bet until you release the chips - see the hilarious Russian player's angle shoot during the 2008 Main Event).

In any case, if you verbally declare what you're going to do ("Bet $50" or "Raise $150 more") then your verbal action is binding and you're allowed to go back to your stack as many times as you like to get the right number of chips out in front of you.

Always declare your bets verbally and you can't go wrong.

* Assuming that there's enough chips in your stack / pile / whatever to constitute at least the minimum bet or raise in the first place - some other fun stuff happens if you somehow manage to get that wrong.

^^^This.

Grindit9 · Aug 17, 2009

Mase31683 said:
Yeah, I got pissed at Foxwoods. There's no bet line. The rule (that I didn't know) is any chips in front of your cards is a bet. I keep my cards tucked to the rail, and when action was on me, the dealer announced me all in, and put the chips in the middle.

How did this play through? Did someone call the foxwood all in? What cards did you have? What did you say to the dealer? How did the other players react?

Ranger390 · Aug 17, 2009

I play at Mountaineeer Casino in northern West Virgina.

String bets

ukaliks

Legend

Mase31683

Legend

Ranger390

Rock Star

wbread86

Enthusiast

OzExorcist

Broomcorn's uncle

OzExorcist

Broomcorn's uncle

Mase31683

Legend

ukaliks

Legend

left52side

Legend

allndave

Rock Star

SavagePenguin

Put the win in penguin

F Paulsson

euro love

OzExorcist

Broomcorn's uncle

ukaliks

Legend

StormRaven

Cardschat Elite

Grindit9

Rock Star

Ranger390

Rock Star

About CardsChat

Our Community

Our Site