Started Playing Live, and I Realized a Leak I have.. Advice?

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So I recently started playing live 1/2 and some of you may have seen me post already. But im starting to notice I have a tough time giving up hands. Are there indicators to know when you are beat? I play aggressively and it can sometimes get me into trouble, I do play pretty tight as well.
 
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You need to understand what kind of people are seating with you on the table. Maybe they are too tight, so of course you can play aggressive against them. But some people just can play better then you and they can have more experience, so you need to be care with them. Maybe if you think that you are not good enough for live game, you still can practice online.
 
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Maybe check how well you are playing online and how they rate you at sharkscope. Keep on playing and see if your rating goes up.

Keep losing live and your confidence will diminish which is bad for an aggressive player.
 
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I play aggressively and it can sometimes get me into trouble, I do play pretty tight as well.
Aren't these two kinda opposite statements? :)

Anyhow, I can tell you a few tips for starting live cash games.
When you first sit at the table, don't rush, play very few hands early on to see which players are tight, loose, aggressive. Spot out fishes and bad players that you can implement your aggressive style of play on. Since it is a live game, there are lot of tells people show, the way they put chips in, how they stack them, all sorts of things (especially mind people that are looking at your stack when they raised you, it usually means they want you to call, and it got me out of trouble more then once)
Considering giving up hands: There is no real tip for this cause it is all about feeling the game, and playing good. We can talk about what ranges you should play and what not, positions and stuff. I can only advise that you shouldn't play aggressive out of position, because you become susceptible to traps, and bluff re-raises.
 
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You do need to learn to give up hands when your equity just isnt there. If you're chasing gutshots when people are shoving etc your holding on to thin hope. Theres no worries in letting go of hands for me as I know I can turn it around in the next couple.
 
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What hands are you having trouble giving up?
 
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Yea,that last sentence concerns me as well,,,you have to know your game,:icon_studare you an aggressive player or more passive?I know when i started out i was really aggressive,and i took it back a couple notches and learned more about what i was doing and why(because you should know)My advice is seek out more knowledge and improve.Good luck,mate! :cheers:
 
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Generally speaking you know when you are beat when the other player wants to continue when you show aggression or shows aggression themselves.
 
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When you play live the players are "feeling you out" so you need to be careful of your body language.I had a hard time talking when big bluffing.I would also bet very quickly when bluffing.Tells that cost me money.Also you need about $6,000 to play 1/2 with proper bankroll management.
 
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What hands are you having trouble giving up?



Top pair, top kicker

Two pair

And sometimes ill lose to better flushes and straights

Example of that^

I have 5s,6s

Cant remember the flop all to well but it comes 3 spades

I bet 20 which is a pot size bet, he insta calls. (My thought process is ok maybe he has the nut flush draw?) turn comes a blank. I bet 40. He insta calls again. At this point i feel like he has a higher flush then i do uh oh, but he goes all in at the river (another blank) and i cant let it go and lose to Ks,10s
 
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Top pair, top kicker

Two pair

And sometimes ill lose to better flushes and straights

Example of that^

I have 5s,6s

Cant remember the flop all to well but it comes 3 spades

I bet 20 which is a pot size bet, he insta calls. (My thought process is ok maybe he has the nut flush draw?) turn comes a blank. I bet 40. He insta calls again. At this point i feel like he has a higher flush then i do uh oh, but he goes all in at the river (another blank) and i cant let it go and lose to Ks,10s
Take more time in making your decisions whether to call or fold in these spots. Retrace the steps of your opponent(s) and replay the action in your head to try and get a more accurate assumption of whether you are ahead or not.

Sometimes there are hands you will lose with that you just can't (and shouldn't) get away from, and you just have to accept that sometimes it's just your time to lose. But you must always try your best to deduct, from the action and the board texture, whether you are beat or not, and go with your reasoning. The more you keep playing, the more these same spots will repeat themselves and through experience you will get better in figuring out the puzzle. Good luck.
 
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Top pair, top kicker

Two pair

And sometimes ill lose to better flushes and straights

Example of that^

I have 5s,6s

Cant remember the flop all to well but it comes 3 spades

I bet 20 which is a pot size bet, he insta calls. (My thought process is ok maybe he has the nut flush draw?) turn comes a blank. I bet 40. He insta calls again. At this point i feel like he has a higher flush then i do uh oh, but he goes all in at the river (another blank) and i cant let it go and lose to Ks,10s


In this very spot, I would probably call too (maybe fold depending on stack sizes), considering you saw the flop with suited small connectors, you are really hoping to hit either flush or a str8. Yes his flush seems quite possible, but it is a tough lay down. Also you bet sizing seems rather ok.
Considering TPTK, it really all comes down to what the board texture is, and reading your opponents. Are there some straight draws that didn't get there as well as flush draws cause it is then possible that your opponent is bluffing. Also not every TPTK is the same. Depending on the board and the aggressiveness of the opponent it is fine to just fold TPTK.
 
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I was in the same boat as you, now I'm playing with ease.
 
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i think that playing live is more hard than play online, playing live many factors come into play for you have to be aware
 
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i think that playing live is more hard than play online, playing live many factors come into play for you have to be aware



Ya, I should be playing online, but live is just so much more appealing and fun to me
 
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the fact that aggression in poker is good on the one hand but on the other can lead to failure you have to understand it and learn to restrain themselves in some cases, you have to learn to identify people you should play aggressively and which should not
 
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I made some simple, maybe silly rules:

1. Never go all-in
2. Never call an all-in unless I have the nuts
3. If I don't know what the nuts are on a specific board study that (I read Super System to get a lot of this in the beginning).
4. Ask "if I did this in this situation, what would I have?" If your opponent is betting as much as you would with the nuts...guess what?

Sure, you might get bluffed once in awhile. But laying down is a disciplined and important skill.
 
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So I recently started playing live 1/2 and some of you may have seen me post already. But im starting to notice I have a tough time giving up hands. Are there indicators to know when you are beat? I play aggressively and it can sometimes get me into trouble, I do play pretty tight as well.


If you see someone shaking, get ut of the hand real fast... Especially if the guy is tight.
 
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So I recently started playing live 1/2 and some of you may have seen me post already. But im starting to notice I have a tough time giving up hands. Are there indicators to know when you are beat? I play aggressively and it can sometimes get me into trouble, I do play pretty tight as well.


If you are constantly aggressive then your table is waiting to trap you in a hand. The flush over flush is a great example.

They are successfully exploiting your over-aggressiveness.

Good luck !
 
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So I recently started playing live 1/2 and some of you may have seen me post already. But im starting to notice I have a tough time giving up hands. Are there indicators to know when you are beat? I play aggressively and it can sometimes get me into trouble, I do play pretty tight as well.
Dont become the call station at the table but stay balanced by calling middle pair and top pair on wet boards once in awhile to avoid people trying to bluff you and to build table image
 
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I had that same problem when I first started playing live! It took me a long, long time to learn the simplest lesson in Poker: it IS okay to fold. C’mon now, repeat after me, and say it out loud, “ it IS okay to fold”. There, that’s a start. Sooo, I used to see folding as a sign of weakness... but I’ve started to learn that you can’t lose chips you don’t put in! Now I’m not saying be a weenie and fold every hand, but play tight a bit, take a couple of wins to the showdown, and then your aggressive raises will have a bit of respect when you are playing a bit loose, or chasing that flush... On to the next important piece: You have to tailor your play style to the game and table you are at. You mentioned you been playing 1/2 Live... I’m assuming this is a fixed limit game? A raise in a lower fixed limit game hardly gets any respect, as most dunces at the table are playing No-FoldEm-HoldEm, and catch you on the river with garbage... No Limit or spread limit games are going to play entirely different than fixed limit games, and you’ll have to learn to adjust your play style accordingly... and then there’s tournament play... that an entirely different beast, especially live... adjusting from aggressive to loose to tight on the fly depending on the mood, your chipstack , your opponents chipstack, the distance to the moon multiplied by Pi and decided by the lady 3 digits of your license plate number... Patience, Luck, and well timed aggression... Okay, I’m done rambling! I hope some of that made sense and helps a little...
 
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When you play live the players are "feeling you out" so you need to be careful of your body language.I had a hard time talking when big bluffing.I would also bet very quickly when bluffing.Tells that cost me money.Also you need about $6,000 to play 1/2 with proper bankroll management.


not to thread hi-jack but thanks for last statement, I needed to hear that

was playing scared money, to say the least, hah!
 
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Playing live is another, where players see you through, this is not online poker
 
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Aggression is good , but at a super tight table it can get you felted quick. You've got to sit back for a few rounds and just study the table. Doesn't mean you can't "play" hands but if you're aggressive your best advantage is to see who's folding a lot , who doesn't mind seeing a flop and who's calling with what quality of hands. If the tightest person at your table is calling your $22 preflop raise after folding 172 times , Guess what if the Flop hits an A or a King you are behind 100% by a lot. 1/2 most of the time can be a tough table to be super aggressive at because most people are folding to a $5 raise when they are holding 9s. My advice would be don't focus so much on the hand itself focus on the players in the beginning watch them in action that will give you a bigger tell on if your hands are good or you need to just chuck them 3s
 
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