Can someone explain the "130/17/42 over 16million hands" Statistic?
Dwilius
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130/17, what a fish...First two numbers are percentages. First one is voluntarily put money in/ 2nd is raised preflop/ third is afterflop raises to calls ratio...used on pokertracker, holdem manager, and other programs. pokerstars has a list of allowed and disallowed software at their website. The two mentioned are allowed. The relevance is you can narrow down what hands your opponents are raising or calling with and whether they are likely to be betting without a big hand etc...there are several other statistics used also.
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ChuckTs
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SavagePenguin
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D'wilius explained it well.
The VP$IP lets you know how often they play, so you can estimate what range they'll be playing. Someone in 8% is very tight, and is going to be putting money in with very good hands. Someone with a 40%+ VP$IP is pretty loose and could be playing A/x-type hands, any connectors, any face/suited, etc.
The second number, how often they raise pre-flop, is especially important for fish. A lot of times you see someone who's VP$IP is 50% (very loose), but they only raise pre-flop 4% of the time. So when they raise, you know they have a hand. I'm actually more apt to call these guys with small pairs and such, because if I do make my set, I can usually stack them with their overpair.
The third number is called their aggression factor. Basically, the bigger the number the more likely they are to be betting without the hand to back it up. You'll see an infinity symbol (infinite) for people who always open after the flop. A 5 is pretty aggressive, and might be worth calling with second pair. But a 1 is pretty tight/weak, so you fold to their continuation bets and c-bet more against them to steal.
The VP$IP lets you know how often they play, so you can estimate what range they'll be playing. Someone in 8% is very tight, and is going to be putting money in with very good hands. Someone with a 40%+ VP$IP is pretty loose and could be playing A/x-type hands, any connectors, any face/suited, etc.
The second number, how often they raise pre-flop, is especially important for fish. A lot of times you see someone who's VP$IP is 50% (very loose), but they only raise pre-flop 4% of the time. So when they raise, you know they have a hand. I'm actually more apt to call these guys with small pairs and such, because if I do make my set, I can usually stack them with their overpair.
The third number is called their aggression factor. Basically, the bigger the number the more likely they are to be betting without the hand to back it up. You'll see an infinity symbol (infinite) for people who always open after the flop. A 5 is pretty aggressive, and might be worth calling with second pair. But a 1 is pretty tight/weak, so you fold to their continuation bets and c-bet more against them to steal.
aliengenius
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Voluntarily put money in pot (vp$ip) / preflop raise percentage / post flop aggression (calls vs. other actions: raise or fold or check)
vp$ip tells you how loose/tight villain is-- a good player is under 25% (depending on circumstances or course)
preflop raise % tells you what range of hands villain raises with. You can plug it into a program like PokerStove and see that, for example, someone who only raises 2% of hands will only show up w JJ or higher.
post flop aggression is calculated by comparing calls to other actions. So someone with a 1.00 pfa is equally like to call vs check, rasie or fold. Generally anyone under 1.50 is playing very weak poker, and arguements can be made that 2.50(+) is more standard amoung excellent players.
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vp$ip tells you how loose/tight villain is-- a good player is under 25% (depending on circumstances or course)
preflop raise % tells you what range of hands villain raises with. You can plug it into a program like PokerStove and see that, for example, someone who only raises 2% of hands will only show up w JJ or higher.
post flop aggression is calculated by comparing calls to other actions. So someone with a 1.00 pfa is equally like to call vs check, rasie or fold. Generally anyone under 1.50 is playing very weak poker, and arguements can be made that 2.50(+) is more standard amoung excellent players.
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"A PFA of less than 1 - This guy is passive. Because PT at the moment doesn’t differentiate calling from folding in assessing this rating (except that if you keep calling at each street you will presumably increase the % that you act passively overall) it is important to differentiate those who fold (and should be bluffed at) from those who call - and shouldn’t be bluffed at! (this is why we also look at the WtSD% to find this out. Nevertheless if this guy does bet out he has something (although being so passive he often won’t bet enough out to put you off a draw). Also this guy is very unlikely to re-raise so he is the ideal candidate for those small blocking bets if he has position on you and you have that nut flush draw. Check this guy’s WtSD% - if it’s less than 20% you can usually bluff him. If it’s more than 30% don’t bother.
A PFA of 1 to 2 - This is in the normal range. This guy will bet out if he hits something on the flop (unless he is a slowplayer). He is again another good target for bluffs (unless he has a high WtSD%) and blocking bets. If he re-raises you that screams set and I would get out. The lower in the range he is the more prone to be passive. Over 1.5 will start to exhibit bluffing behaviour if checked to on the end etc. (especially if he has the ‘momentum’ - eg he was the pre-flop raiser)
A PFA of 2 to 3 - This guy is aggressive. Even if you raised pre-flop from LP he will often try to steal the momentum away from you by betting out (even if he missed). If you hit too but aren’t certain where you stand (if he has a low WtSD%) it might well be worth a re-raise to see where you are. If you have a big hand against him and act first just check or minimum bet - he will come at you. Guys who aren’t maniacs per-flop but have a high PFA and low WtSD% are often ‘flat-track bullies’ - that is they are trying a bluff on and will drop it fast if they get challenged (very sensible of them). Guys who have a high PFA and WtSD% (over 30%) are basically maniacs who are going to get lucky or busted.
A PFA of 4+ - This guy is almost (or actually) maniacal. The only time he doesn’t bet the pot on the flop is when he has something!! Watch out if this guy checks to you - he is most probably preparing a re-raise. He will always semi-bluff his draws too, so don’t worry too much about giving him a free card by checking behind him. If you have something treat him like the 'PFA of 2 to 3' guy above but remember that he is even more likely to be second best to you.
The one caveat I would have with the advice on the 'PFA of 2 to 4' players above is if they are extremely tight/aggressive pre-flop. If I only played AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK and nothing else then I would expect to end up betting strongly and having a high WtSD% too - it doesn’t mean that I’m a bluffer or maniac (but as you will see true TA-A’s are a rare as hen’s teeth - which is almost as rare as a typical party $25 NL player folding a flush draw to a pot-sized bet!)"
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"A PFA of less than 1 - This guy is passive. Because PT at the moment doesn’t differentiate calling from folding in assessing this rating (except that if you keep calling at each street you will presumably increase the % that you act passively overall) it is important to differentiate those who fold (and should be bluffed at) from those who call - and shouldn’t be bluffed at! (this is why we also look at the WtSD% to find this out. Nevertheless if this guy does bet out he has something (although being so passive he often won’t bet enough out to put you off a draw). Also this guy is very unlikely to re-raise so he is the ideal candidate for those small blocking bets if he has position on you and you have that nut flush draw. Check this guy’s WtSD% - if it’s less than 20% you can usually bluff him. If it’s more than 30% don’t bother.
A PFA of 1 to 2 - This is in the normal range. This guy will bet out if he hits something on the flop (unless he is a slowplayer). He is again another good target for bluffs (unless he has a high WtSD%) and blocking bets. If he re-raises you that screams set and I would get out. The lower in the range he is the more prone to be passive. Over 1.5 will start to exhibit bluffing behaviour if checked to on the end etc. (especially if he has the ‘momentum’ - eg he was the pre-flop raiser)
A PFA of 2 to 3 - This guy is aggressive. Even if you raised pre-flop from LP he will often try to steal the momentum away from you by betting out (even if he missed). If you hit too but aren’t certain where you stand (if he has a low WtSD%) it might well be worth a re-raise to see where you are. If you have a big hand against him and act first just check or minimum bet - he will come at you. Guys who aren’t maniacs per-flop but have a high PFA and low WtSD% are often ‘flat-track bullies’ - that is they are trying a bluff on and will drop it fast if they get challenged (very sensible of them). Guys who have a high PFA and WtSD% (over 30%) are basically maniacs who are going to get lucky or busted.
A PFA of 4+ - This guy is almost (or actually) maniacal. The only time he doesn’t bet the pot on the flop is when he has something!! Watch out if this guy checks to you - he is most probably preparing a re-raise. He will always semi-bluff his draws too, so don’t worry too much about giving him a free card by checking behind him. If you have something treat him like the 'PFA of 2 to 3' guy above but remember that he is even more likely to be second best to you.
The one caveat I would have with the advice on the 'PFA of 2 to 4' players above is if they are extremely tight/aggressive pre-flop. If I only played AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK and nothing else then I would expect to end up betting strongly and having a high WtSD% too - it doesn’t mean that I’m a bluffer or maniac (but as you will see true TA-A’s are a rare as hen’s teeth - which is almost as rare as a typical party $25 NL player folding a flush draw to a pot-sized bet!)"
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roundcat
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Wow guys, tons of information here! Thanks a ton for the replies, I learned a ton here, and thanks for the resources, which I'm going to go scrutinize. This place is great.
Gl on the felt, guys.
And yes, I suggest you stop smoking dope.
Gl on the felt, guys.
And yes, I suggest you stop smoking dope.
CAPT. ZIGZAG
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dailies
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Thanks for the posters here, I never knew these programs existed, and it explains why people were able to claim reads on me so early in tourneys where I had barely made moves yet. Guess they had seen me play loose before, and thus knew it was my m.o. Got to play tighter sometimes to balance it out, or I'm going to keep getting callers that I don't want.
Stick66
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Took me about a week to grasp.
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