Signs someone is bluffing??

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what do people look for online that are signs someone is bluffing?
 
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Some people have sizing or timing tells, but mostly you wanna look out for how often people CAN be bluffing in a given spot, given statistical tendencies. If they have bluffs more than value in a spot just assume they're always bluffing; it'll be long-run profitable.
 
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If they have bluffs more than value in a spot just assume they're always bluffing; it'll be long-run profitable.

can you explain this with an example? i dont quite follow

personally i look for preflop raise vs cards on flop vs if they checked any street before. so many people limp and check you can be the one bluffing often. if you're limping and checking and always getting raised, you are getting bluffed 90% of the time. maybe higher.
 
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can you explain this with an example? i dont quite follow
Well, say villain raises from the Hijack and you have A6s, you call from the button. Flop comes down 569 two-tone, and villain cbets half-pot. Villain is pretty tricky and when he bets half-pot in a low drawy board like that, he's gonna have air a fair amount of the time. Because he bet half-pot he's giving you 3:1 odds to call, so you only need him to be bluffing roughly 1/4 of the time to call. So, if you think he's bluffing more frequently than that, you call.
 
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time tells are big online....when people take time sometimes its because they don't know what to do....also betting patterns and huge bets that don't make sense....also their position at the table can help greatly
 
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time tells are big online....when people take time sometimes its because they don't know what to do....
If they're good it could mean a zillion things. They might be deciding exactly how much to bet, whether to call or raise, what the hell you could be doing what you just did with, etc.

Also they can be hollywooding, and sometimes a snap-raise is pretty indicative of a bluff, because an actual value hand would at least consider calling that spot.
 
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Pot overbets on wet boards... If their hand was already made... They would be looking for a call. U need to think... What does villain want me to do in this spot. Usually an overbet is looking for u to fold... Because what kind of crazy lunatic who wants a call... Bets more than the pot. If his story makes no sense... He's probably full of crap. Think what he wants u to do... And then do the exact opposite.
 
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I enjoyed reading this one. Great advice aleksei and blocher. I can't wait to actually see how you guys play in the freerolls.
 
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Also they can be hollywooding, and sometimes a snap-raise is pretty indicative of a bluff, because an actual value hand would at least consider calling that spot.

i have found this to be true, and it makes sense, i mean the snap raise specifically

if i observed my own play when i am in a spot that i am calling for sure and am considering a raise, or say i am so strong i am raising no matter what, i am never snap raising in either case. it just isn't a natural thing that most players would do and lot of times you simply need at the least a short pause think about it.
 
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Overbetting doesn't necessarily mean a bluff.. It could be the nuts indisguise of a bluff... So make sure you pick your opponent wisely before deciding to bluff catch. Don't get too fancy or your going to get caught out.
 
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hi guys I think this is my 18 post or something like that I like to just go with it and know I have the edge cause if you don't have the edge.... I like to sit at 50 100 tables all th time beats those other games at aria last time I was there was this guy with shades he looked totally gross you gotta ship all in whenever you think you have the best hand because if youre right you will end with monies
 
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hi guys I think this is my 18 post or something like that I like to just go with it and know I have the edge cause if you don't have the edge.... I like to sit at 50 100 tables all th time beats those other games at aria last time I was there was this guy with shades he looked totally gross you gotta ship all in whenever you think you have the best hand because if youre right you will end with monies
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hi guys I think this is my 18 post or something like that I like to just go with it and know I have the edge cause if you don't have the edge.... I like to sit at 50 100 tables all th time beats those other games at aria last time I was there was this guy with shades he looked totally gross you gotta ship all in whenever you think you have the best hand because if youre right you will end with monies
this one time this guy says to me, he says, he says uh there's no mayonnaise in ireland.

and im like, thinkin, im like, thinkin to myself, what the heck is this guy talkin about, no mayonaise in ireland? what does that have to do with anything?

so im thinkin, hey maybe he's tryin to be clever and sayin somethin totally meaningless to catch me off guard, so im like two can play that game eh, so yeah, so i says back, i says, yeah, i says hey man there's no ketchup in australia!

well he gives me this quizzical look like im totally off my nutter ya know, then he just walks away.

it wasnt until later that i realized what he really said was no man is an island. and the more i thought about it, i was like, you know what, it's really the truth you know.
 
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this one time this guy says to me, he says, he says uh there's no mayonnaise in ireland.

and im like, thinkin, im like, thinkin to myself, what the heck is this guy talkin about, no mayonaise in ireland? what does that have to do with anything?

so im thinkin, hey maybe he's tryin to be clever and sayin somethin totally meaningless to catch me off guard, so im like two can play that game eh, so yeah, so i says back, i says, yeah, i says hey man there's no ketchup in australia!

well he gives me this quizzical look like im totally off my nutter ya know, then he just walks away.

it wasnt until later that i realized what he really said was no man is an island. and the more i thought about it, i was like, you know what, it's really the truth you know.


LOL
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also timing tells can mean other things as stated above.....best way to pick off bluffs is knowing your opponent and looking at hands he is showing down with
 
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The easiest tell is when a card comes up and they instantly shove all in. Now, some might argue against this theory, but it is generally the case. If someone wants to value bet, they will. If someone wants to overbet bluff the pot, they will. Also, if someone takes a long time to make a move, it means they generally have hit something and are trying to figure the best way to take your chips. A rash, instant all in is a sign to look out for.
 
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Sometimes when someone takes longer then they have most of the time, they could easily be weighing there options and seeing if its worth tryying to steal the pot, of a quick all in after the flop when tehy have been playing aggresive
 
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Well, say villain raises from the Hijack and you have A6s, you call from the button. Flop comes down 569 two-tone, and villain cbets half-pot. Villain is pretty tricky and when he bets half-pot in a low drawy board like that, he's gonna have air a fair amount of the time. Because he bet half-pot he's giving you 3:1 odds to call, so you only need him to be bluffing roughly 1/4 of the time to call. So, if you think he's bluffing more frequently than that, you call.


wouldnt this be a good spot for a re-raise and not a smooth call? i agree with you that if the board looks like that, he's typically bluffing. see this a lot actually. as long as it wasnt my 1st 5 hands at the table, i would probably re-raise in this spot personally to try to take it down right then in case he has JT-AK and dont want to see another card come.
 
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wouldnt this be a good spot for a re-raise and not a smooth call?
Not if you have showdown value. If you have a weak pair or something that beats villain's bluffs but not any of his value hands, there's no value in raising.

If you raise vs a bluff it's as a rebluff, because you think you can't even beat his bluffs unimproved (and you have some improvement equity -- pure bluffs are generally inadvisable).
 
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I know this doesn't necessarily pertain to online play, but I have found in live poker the moment someone starts talking while you are making a decision, way more often than not they are bluffing... I know this is a broad blanket statement but literally if I am on the fence over a call or a fold, and they start talking, I typically just call at that point lol
 
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Sometimes when someone takes longer then they have most of the time, they could easily be weighing there options and seeing if its worth tryying to steal the pot, of a quick all in after the flop when tehy have been playing aggresive

I agree. I know for a fact then when I consider buffing I take a bit longer than if I was just betting for value.
 
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I know this doesn't necessarily pertain to online play, but I have found in live poker the moment someone starts talking while you are making a decision, way more often than not they are bluffing... I know this is a broad blanket statement but literally if I am on the fence over a call or a fold, and they start talking, I typically just call at that point lol

The more comfortable a person seems the more likely they have it. If they are talking, singing/dancing, drinking water, tapping their feet, fidgeting with their phone and you think the cause is discomfort rather than complete comfort, then it is safe to make the call. Gotta be careful that one is tricky.

I snap-shove all in when I hit the nuts on the river <-- Lol sounding

...but really, I do.
 
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what do people look for online that are signs someone is bluffing?
frequency....

if a player all in every hands preflop....definitely he could not have 10s or 20s of AA, KK .

he must be bluff...:D
 
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if it won't break me (or you) call to see if he/she's bluffing. there's no sure fire way to tell if that person is bluffing if he/she's a skilled player..this is why i don't change my bets, (meaning whether i'm bluffing or not, the size will always be the same).
 
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