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What do you prefer when you'te playing live game poler, a machine mixing or dealer (human) mixing cards.

After a while I've saw something new for me. It was a HU on final table in brasil wsop and the players requested one more dealer just for mixing and preparing the second deck for the next hand.
 
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I'm old school I don't like the machines. Don't trust them. :)
 
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Man, I prefer to play online, you know, I feel more comfortable to decide, and not to mention that I do not have to hide my expressions.
 
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If I'm playing live poker, I want a dealer. Otherwise, I could just play online.
 
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As I understand your question and that first you went once a situation in brazil that used two dealers to give the letters that, if that some types of tournaments and sometimes houses make that kind of speed, so that the tournament runs faster, I have seen it, more on the issue of human dealers or machines to make sure card who plays live human dealers prefer to give the cards.
 
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It doesn't matter to me, as long as the card shufflers are reputable and the online site is reputable and the hand dealer is reputable, they are all the same really.
 
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I play live tournaments so I want a mechanical shuffle - Shufflemaster or whatever brand. It is important to be dealt as many hands as possible per level or at least a similar number of hands as other tables in an mtt. When you are playing a hand shuffled tournament and you are hit with 2 or 3 dealers in a row who happen to be the slowest in hands dealt per hour in the house when you are in the prime stack building part of the tournament it puts you at a disadvantage to the tables who have not been hit with the sloths. Throw in a couple pe-flop tankers and you are really screwed. So I am 100% for mechanical shuffles.

 
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machine shuffling for me - have confidence in the system.

Dealers are mostly great but speeds up the game with machines.
 
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From a quality of shuffling perspective I don't care whether it's by hand or machine - both are just as good as each other.

Machine is undeniably faster though, which will be why they requested the second dealer for that heads up game. If you've got a heads up match that's going for a while and there's players folding preflop quite often you'll spend more time waiting for shuffling than you will actually playing.
 
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i prefer human otherwise i can play only online
 
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I know some people think the machines equal rigged hands, but I have seen live dealers that could stack the deck so quick your head would spin and you couldn't tell they were doing it. I don't see the point either way unless the dealer has a bud playing.:D
 
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I prefer a dealer shuffling, just keeps the human element in the game, I believe it's better that way
 
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I play live tournaments so I want a mechanical shuffle - Shufflemaster or whatever brand. It is important to be dealt as many hands as possible per level or at least a similar number of hands as other tables in an mtt. When you are playing a hand shuffled tournament and you are hit with 2 or 3 dealers in a row who happen to be the slowest in hands dealt per hour in the house when you are in the prime stack building part of the tournament it puts you at a disadvantage to the tables who have not been hit with the sloths. Throw in a couple pe-flop tankers and you are really screwed. So I am 100% for mechanical shuffles.


NO! NOT whatever - ONLY ShuffleMaster - all others are not worth the trouble or cost.

I run two poker rooms in Michigan, (company owns 5 total), one of my rooms has one SM and the other has none. A third/fourth room of ours has two SM each, and the 5th has none.

We only use them for our bigger cash games, they put out a few more hands per hour, making more money and players happy.

The good reliable shufflers (SM) are very expensive so most poker rooms, casinos included, will not have that many, so its tough to justify using them for tournaments which make very little money for the house, and getting more hands out there does not rake more money for anyone. In fact, the only tournaments I have ever seen them used in are WSOP, and they only use like 20 or so, and only when deep in the money of tournaments, and smaller really high buy ins (10k's).

Some respondents do not realize the question is saying the machine just shuffles, the dealer still cuts the deck and pitches out the cards and runs the game, but can put out more hands per hour with a machine pre-shuffling a deck before a hand.

A machine will only be a better "shuffler", as far as mixing the cards, than a bad dealer (which yes there are some), but against a good dealer they will be an even match, just a touch faster (though some dealers can shuffle as fast at it would take to load the shuffler with old deck and take the new one out - I am pretty close myself - so not really that much faster - maybe 2 or 3 more hands per down).

I think the high end players just like the 'feel' of the game when one is used. You realize this when watching the WSOP tournaments deep in the money using the shufflers, it doesnt speed it up the game at all because they are playing so slow to begin with at that level.

They are money makers for sure and help with keeping dealers wrists in good shape so I like them for sure.

HOWEVER conspiracy theorists take note, some of these new shufflers can sort cards, Ill just leave it at that..............
 
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NO! NOT whatever - ONLY ShuffleMaster - all others are not worth the trouble or cost.

I run two poker rooms in Michigan, (company owns 5 total), one of my rooms has one SM and the other has none. A third/fourth room of ours has two SM each, and the 5th has none.

We only use them for our bigger cash games, they put out a few more hands per hour, making more money and players happy.

The good reliable shufflers (SM) are very expensive so most poker rooms, casinos included, will not have that many, so its tough to justify using them for tournaments which make very little money for the house, and getting more hands out there does not rake more money for anyone. In fact, the only tournaments I have ever seen them used in are WSOP, and they only use like 20 or so, and only when deep in the money of tournaments, and smaller really high buy ins (10k's).

Some respondents do not realize the question is saying the machine just shuffles, the dealer still cuts the deck and pitches out the cards and runs the game, but can put out more hands per hour with a machine pre-shuffling a deck before a hand.

A machine will only be a better "shuffler", as far as mixing the cards, than a bad dealer (which yes there are some), but against a good dealer they will be an even match, just a touch faster (though some dealers can shuffle as fast at it would take to load the shuffler with old deck and take the new one out - I am pretty close myself - so not really that much faster - maybe 2 or 3 more hands per down).

I think the high end players just like the 'feel' of the game when one is used. You realize this when watching the WSOP tournaments deep in the money using the shufflers, it doesnt speed it up the game at all because they are playing so slow to begin with at that level.

They are money makers for sure and help with keeping dealers wrists in good shape so I like them for sure.

HOWEVER conspiracy theorists take note, some of these new shufflers can sort cards, Ill just leave it at that..............

Tampa Hardrock is 2nd biggest room in Tampa by tables and has over twice as many tables as the largest room in Detroit and runs pretty much all their tournaments from hand 1 to the last hand on every table with automatic card shufflers (not Shufflemaster) the tournament running now as I am typing is a 150k guarantee with a $150 buyin with 3 day 1s remaining it was at over 1000 entries when I played earlier today (I busted may play last day 1 tomorrow).
Also the Isle another large FL room uses auto-shufflers in tournaments from hand one as well.I am sure there are others in Florida that use auto-shuffler in tournaments.

Edit: As a side note I found out today HardRock Tampa stopped all food service in the poker room. Watching people eat with their hands and then touch their chips and lick wing sauce off their fingers right after they touched those filthy chips made me want to vomit every time I played. lol
 
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They are shufflemaster at Tampa. The table I sat at today did not have a logo and I asked dealer if they were shufflemaster and he said no. But I remember the Deckmate logo on them from previous tournaments and Deckmate is shufflemaster.
 
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Tampa Hardrock is 2nd biggest room in Tampa by tables and has over twice as many tables as the largest room in Detroit and runs pretty much all their tournaments from hand 1 to the last hand on every table with automatic card shufflers (not Shufflemaster) the tournament running now as I am typing is a 150k guarantee with a $150 buyin with 3 day 1s remaining it was at over 1000 entries when I played earlier today (I busted may play last day 1 tomorrow).
Also the Isle another large FL room uses auto-shufflers in tournaments from hand one as well.I am sure there are others in Florida that use auto-shuffler in tournaments.

Edit: As a side note I found out today HardRock Tampa stopped all food service in the poker room. Watching people eat with their hands and then touch their chips and lick wing sauce off their fingers right after they touched those filthy chips made me want to vomit every time I played. lol

I have always considered Florida to be the exception to every rule in regards to poker rooms and what not. As far as revenue and dealer pay, the state may be the highest in the country (if you do not count WSOP and WPT events). I have played in Tampa many times, love the Downs. I know dealers there that make $60k-$70k a year - far more than the national average. I know a girl at the Downs that one year made $95k, working just 35 hours a week ($52/hour), oh yea plus benefits. So I do not doubt that Florida operates with a lot of higher tech than most, including shufflers.
 
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Where the money is I find the imposter in poker are big money and it also means that a lot of ripping
 
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I'd be more worried with human dealers that they hang around with some of the regulars during their off hours. Hint, hint.
 
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I think it's irrelevant when shuffling cards, it is important to play your game and of course, a little luck and to serve.
 
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I don't really care weather it's a dealer or a machine... But on another note that's one job and one more person to share the game with in the table (it's always fun to see some players talk to dealers and the sort)
 
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When playing live poker, I prefer a dealer I don't know why
 
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I am confident in the machine system. I've never seen an extra dealer only for preparing the second deck.
 
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I've never seen an extra dealer only for preparing the second deck.

Yeah, in normal circumstances it's something you just won't see. The only times a casino would really consider it are in high stakes games where the table doesn't have a mechanical shuffler and the game is going so fast (eg: HU play) that there's more time being spent shuffling than playing.
 
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I distrust mechanical shufflers in casinos but don't mind them in tournaments.. Always prefer human shuffling though, as long as it doesn't take forever.
 
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