Should we try to reduce luck element in poker?

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When you are all in preflop, on the flop or on the turn and all cards are face up you know your percentages. you know whether you have 30%, 50%, 70% or if you are drawing dead. If you come in the same position many times you will gradually see that reality follows math so after a 1000 times getting your money on a flip coin you will end up winning half the times. many people like to run it more than once just to eliminate the luck factor. and i really wonder if we want poker to be all about skill and dont want ourselves to be called gambler why dont we take action to reduce that luck factor? An idea i had (maybe someone else has already thought about it though) is if after an all in we can check the percentages of each player and split the pot accordingly. so if you get it in with Aces vs Kings preflop you will get 80% of the pot and your opponent the rest. this way you avoid badbeats and all things that make poker so brutal and unfair. I can see some difficulties with it in tournaments because if someone always goes all in preflop they are actually never going to be eliminated because no hand is drawing dead preflop against any hand but in cash it is something that i would prefer to play. any ideas on that? maybe some counterarguments?
 
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When you are all in preflop, on the flop or on the turn and all cards are face up you know your percentages. you know whether you have 30%, 50%, 70% or if you are drawing dead. If you come in the same position many times you will gradually see that reality follows math so after a 1000 times getting your money on a flip coin you will end up winning half the times. many people like to run it more than once just to eliminate the luck factor. and i really wonder if we want poker to be all about skill and dont want ourselves to be called gambler why dont we take action to reduce that luck factor? An idea i had (maybe someone else has already thought about it though) is if after an all in we can check the percentages of each player and split the pot accordingly. so if you get it in with Aces vs Kings preflop you will get 80% of the pot and your opponent the rest. this way you avoid badbeats and all things that make poker so brutal and unfair. I can see some difficulties with it in tournaments because if someone always goes all in preflop they are actually never going to be eliminated because no hand is drawing dead preflop against any hand but in cash it is something that i would prefer to play. any ideas on that? maybe some counterarguments?
You would lose all of the least skilled players very quickly if you did that
 
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Duplicate Poker was a attempt to limit the amount of luck in poker. It has never gotten off the ground. Taking out the luck equals taking out the fun/drama/excitement.

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tournaments would never end. I am not in favor of this at all. If playing nosebleed stakes they may slow the game to allow for insurance or too run the cards multiple times, but at anything resembling a normal game there just is no incentive for a casino or poker site to do this.
 
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Luck is one element of poker, u cant just eliminate it. And if u go all in, u want all or nothing, u dont want do split the pot.
 
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When you are all in preflop, on the flop or on the turn and all cards are face up you know your percentages. you know whether you have 30%, 50%, 70% or if you are drawing dead. If you come in the same position many times you will gradually see that reality follows math so after a 1000 times getting your money on a flip coin you will end up winning half the times. many people like to run it more than once just to eliminate the luck factor. and i really wonder if we want poker to be all about skill and dont want ourselves to be called gambler why dont we take action to reduce that luck factor? An idea i had (maybe someone else has already thought about it though) is if after an all in we can check the percentages of each player and split the pot accordingly. so if you get it in with Aces vs Kings preflop you will get 80% of the pot and your opponent the rest. this way you avoid badbeats and all things that make poker so brutal and unfair. I can see some difficulties with it in tournaments because if someone always goes all in preflop they are actually never going to be eliminated because no hand is drawing dead preflop against any hand but in cash it is something that i would prefer to play. any ideas on that? maybe some counterarguments?

Poker is designed to have that luck element. We should keep it that way i believe bc after all. even pros need some luck sometimes. Luck is not a one way street it works both ways.
 
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I guess, for me, chance has always been the enemy. Amassing chips without showing down a hand, to me, is a way of limiting chance, and to me demonstrates a talented player. One that can be intune with dynamics enough to know how to pick up pots uncontested is a skillful player in my book, moreso than one that just gets it in, and prays to hold up, or get lucky
 
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There was a site(s) on the debunked everleaf network that use offer what you are saying in the OP. Maby it was network wide ( I am not entirely certain ) I thought it was a good Idea. Surprised there isn't more sites that have tables that offer this form of poker play.
 
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Luck in poker is only good odds.
It comes down to the percentages.
 
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Duplicate Poker was a attempt to limit the amount of luck in poker. It has never gotten off the ground. Taking out the luck equals taking out the fun/drama/excitement.

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Yeah , the unknown is the heart and soul of the game.
 
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Duplicate Poker was a attempt to limit the amount of luck in poker. It has never gotten off the ground. Taking out the luck equals taking out the fun/drama/excitement.

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Wow, what a memory! That game didn't really eliminate the luck factor, it did offer a way to rate yourself against other players in a way that differed from the standard chip stack method.
 
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Poker is one of the oldest games in our history. It has been around for centuries. I highly doubt it will ever change in the scope that you are describing.
 
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Terrible idea.

i like the mental logic of your arguments. didnt really think it that way. thanks for the enlightment and the direct analysis.

hmmm i dont say that poker will change.. just trying to get opinions on the matter. i mean poker players always whine about the game having a big skill influence and that its not gambling etc. why wouldnt they want to make it even more skill influenced? only argument i got was that bad players would go away. so in this way luck favours good players by providing the bait to bad players to keep losing. apart from that is there anything else to take into account though?
 
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Lol really? How would you or could you change the game and still call it poker? Im surprised online poker is called poker for its far from true poker but resembles the game i guess. Maybe introduce a new variation where only 2 cards or 4 cards are used shoot lets use 5 cards oh heck lets just use 7 cards LMAO>You might as well have everybody cut deck for high card and call it poker. Excuse me for the troll! Please do some research on poker games im sure there is some form of a back ally home game that comes close to what you want. If you cant find one lay down the rules and put a name on it and call it poker. There are a lot of card games out there to bet on and not all of them are poker! This is almost like calling Yahtzee a game of craps the only thing they have in common is they use dice. The game of Poker is all about the math even the bad beats is about the math<"True Story Non Fiction"
 
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Lol really? How would you or could you change the game and still call it poker? Im surprised online poker is called poker for its far from true poker but resembles the game i guess. Maybe introduce a new variation where only 2 cards or 4 cards are used shoot lets use 5 cards oh heck lets just use 7 cards LMAO>You might as well have everybody cut deck for high card and call it poker. Excuse me for the troll! Please do some research on poker games im sure there is some form of a back ally home game that comes close to what you want. If you cant find one lay down the rules and put a name on it and call it poker. There are a lot of card games out there to bet on and not all of them are poker! This is almost like calling Yahtzee a game of craps the only thing they have in common is they use dice. The game of Poker is all about the math even the bad beats is about the math<"True Story Non Fiction"

lol... so your only probelm is what name we are gonna give it? sometimes i really wonder if people apply the same amount of logic in the poker tables as they do in the poker forums (hint: none)
 
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Lol no i have no problem and i guess comprehension is not your strong suit. Yup(hint:your) lol later man!
 
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I don't agree with this... Every sport has its luck factor. The knowledge about poker includes how to manage this luck factor too, in your favor.
So I think that nothing has to be changed.
 
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I don't agree with this... Every sport has its luck factor. The knowledge about poker includes how to manage this luck factor too, in your favor.
So I think that nothing has to be changed.

technically you cant completely eliminate the luck factor. if someone is drawing to a flush and you give him bad odds to draw but still draws and gets the flush you actually lost due to bad lucj. and this cannot change. but in all in spots it really just makes it only worse to flip coins or endanger big money on a 60-40 advantage. probabilities say thats what you get in the long run anyways. so you just eliminate luck after all the money has gotten in. the luck factor still remains as a whole
 
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without luck it will be poker math exam,luck always was,is and will be without her this would not poker!!!
 
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Geralmente jogando com alguns loucos na mesa passamos muita raiva.
 
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Os caras pagam com tudo as vezes sem pedida pra nada e ainda levam.
 
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Acertei um flop monstro e o cara pagou por 2 brocas.
 
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