Should I go all for SitnGo or all ring games ?

Nexus6 · Mar 2, 2010

Hi you guys.. I am finally ready to play 10 to 20 dollar Sit n Go's

If your personality is kinda like i described mine , and you have the same goals , What set up do you recommend I try out ?

My personality fit's ring games much better than Sit n Go's .. I like to mix it up and after I am comfortable I really play good even when taking multiple bad beats..

I have been learning from this site and others that Sit N Go's are way more profitable and I see the logic behind it.

If I decide to go the Sit N Go route , Should I play double or nothing before the 9 seater regular Sit N Go ?

Also Is Titan Poker So much more easier to beat the sit n go's than at pokerstars?

Thanks for your time ,

Sincerely Tony

Sean Pilgrim · Mar 2, 2010

Nexus6 said:
10 to 20 dollar Sit n Go's

Great money.

Nexus6 said:
I have been learning from this site and others that Sit N Go's are way more profitable and I see the logic behind it.

This is 50/50 - You're either a solid cash game player or solid SnG/MTT player, not too much in between and finding a balance can be hard when trying to adjust to each game. Many people on here will disagree that SnG's are more profitable. And would still insist that ring games are the way to go.

There's a lot of pros and cons to both if you are comparing them.

Nexus6 said:
If I decide to go the Sit N Go route , Should I play double or nothing before the 9 seater regular Sit N Go ?

DoN's are nit fests and are easy to make money on, but you only win double your buy-in minus rake. it would be much more profitable to play 9 handed normal sng's that pay top 3 because it's a better payout. IMO

Nexus6 · Mar 2, 2010

Sean Pilgrim said:
Great money.

This is 50/50 - You're either a solid cash game player or solid SnG/MTT player, not too much in between and finding a balance can be hard when trying to adjust to each game. Many people on here will disagree that SnG's are more profitable. And would still insist that ring games are the way to go.

There's a lot of pros and cons to both if you are comparing them.

DoN's are nit fests and are easy to make money on, but you only win double your buy-in minus rake. it would be much more profitable to play 9 handed normal sng's that pay top 3 because it's a better payout. IMO

Thanks so much for that ! especially the double or nothing info. I have lots of play money chips should I go spend time playing the 200k play sitngo's for some practice?

Sean Pilgrim · Mar 2, 2010

LOL no... that's not going to help you much at all. Doesn't hurt anything though. But I'd like someone else to chime in on the Ring Games vs. SnG's situation.

Nexus6 · Mar 2, 2010

Sean Pilgrim said:
LOL no... that's not going to help you much at all. Doesn't hurt anything though. But I'd like someone else to chime in on the Ring Games vs. SnG's situation.

So I guess I will continue to take my play chips to the appropriate place and change them into the real deal... Instead of wasting them on the 200k play sit n go's ..
and yes please I need more peoples input ...

joe steady · Mar 3, 2010

Nexus6 said:
My personality fit's ring games much better than Sit n Go's ..

Not to overstate the obvious, but if you feel you're better suited to ring games and you've managed to get yourself rolled to the point where you can play $10-$20 SNGs, I'd say stick with the cash games, you're already profitable. However, if your whole goal of playing cash games was to get to the point where you had a big enough bankroll to play $10-$20SNGs, then give it a shot, but remember it's a very different game than cash. Definitely check the stickies and archives here for SNG strategy, there's lots of good ones. Good luck!

LarryT503 · Mar 3, 2010

My question is why limit yourself to one or the other? I think the ring games offer a chance offer a chance of higher return, but SnG's limit your liability. Why not play both?

dj11 · Mar 3, 2010

Nexus6 said:
Thanks so much for that ! especially the double or nothing info. I have lots of play money chips should I go spend time playing the 200k play sitngo's for some practice?

I disagree with Sean. I have always found the play at the higher PLAY MONEY games equivalent to $10-$20 real money games.

What I would suggest is that you use those big buy-in play money games and study the scared money aspect of the game. What???? you say!

The talent at the big play money games is the same talent you will want for the $20 SnG's, but in the real money games the scared money issue is there. Especially if you are not bankrolled properly.

I would also suggest you concentrate on either Ring or STT (some MTT) but not both!

I still shy away from ring. For me it is a game with unlimited potential for loss. Tourneys as you know, have (generally) a fixed loss. You can never lose more than the buy-in.

ats777 · Mar 3, 2010

Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

Numbuh 0ne · Mar 3, 2010

I would say stick with cash games, it seems like the ceiling is higher and making a switch would be more difficult than staying at ring games.

joe steady · Mar 3, 2010

McKracken226 said:
Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

ats777 · Mar 3, 2010

relpraggy said:
Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

Good points. Definitely right about the study away from the table. I'm with you that I find the tournaments a bit more fun. Hence the reason cash game players are referred to grinders I suppose.

Poker Orifice · Mar 3, 2010

You say your personality suits > 'liking to 'mix it up' & suits ring game.... why switch to SNG play then? A common player type I'll see in SNG's is the guy who plays too many hands... almost like he/she can't resist'mixing it up'. In SNG play there will be many instances where playing the hand has a positive outcome for winning chips in the longrun (+ chip value) but the cash value of your stack when you win the hand compared to the cash value of your stack when you lose the hand makes it an incorrect play (negative expectation). {can be a negative play even if it's a positive chip play). Many times it's not worth risking chips when you already have a decent stack.
This ^ is part of the difference in SNG play vs. cash game play. There are many other 'things' (< for lack of a better word) that are specific to sng play. If you do choose to switch over to SNG play, even if you're rolled for $20's (ie. $1,000+ bankroll), I would still recommend starting off at the $5's (or $6's if you're choosing to go Turbo route). Jumping in at $16's for example (stars) you're going to run into alot of regs. Buyin suggestion also depends upon what poker site you're playing on & at what time of day (there is a difference).
Personally (if I were you)... I would stick to Ring games.
As far as how playmoney relates to realmoney.... I would've answered that the two don't relate at all and would consider playmoney to be a complete waste of time... BUT.. my playmoney experience is limited to maybe a dozen games a few years ago while getting acquainted with online poker software.
.... why fix it if it ain't broke?

Nexus6 · Mar 3, 2010

relpraggy said:
Not to overstate the obvious, but if you feel you're better suited to ring games and you've managed to get yourself rolled to the point where you can play $10-$20 SNGs, I'd say stick with the cash games, you're already profitable. However, if your whole goal of playing cash games was to get to the point where you had a big enough bankroll to play $10-$20SNGs, then give it a shot, but remember it's a very different game than cash. Definitely check the stickies and archives here for SNG strategy, there's lots of good ones. Good luck!

thanks for your info I am going to check the stickys ..

Nexus6 · Mar 3, 2010

dj11 said:
I disagree with Sean. I have always found the play at the higher PLAY MONEY games equivalent to $10-$20 real money games.

What I would suggest is that you use those big buy-in play money games and study the scared money aspect of the game. What???? you say!

The talent at the big play money games is the same talent you will want for the $20 SnG's, but in the real money games the scared money issue is there. Especially if you are not bankrolled properly.

I would also suggest you concentrate on either Ring or STT (some MTT) but not both!

I still shy away from ring. For me it is a game with unlimited potential for loss. Tourneys as you know, have (generally) a fixed loss. You can never lose more than the buy-in.

You know I was watching the game being played (10 20 sitngos on pokerstars) and I was leaning towards what your saying that the 200k play money was looking allot like what I was seeing at the 10 20..

I think I am gonna follow you on sticking to one or the other . Because if I do play the sit ngos I diffenetly need to concentrate totally on that game .. If I go with ring games . I am allready comfortable and it will just improve my play to stick with ring only ... This is tough i worked hard to get to this point and I am gonna read the stickys to .. Thanks so much and your words are very easy to understand

Nexus6 · Mar 3, 2010

relpraggy said:
Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

Thanks man ... My gut feeling says the same , But i all ways admire people who think things through with great detail and come up with the sitngo only loose your entry fee..

Nexus6 · Mar 3, 2010

Poker Orifice said:
You say your personality suits > 'liking to 'mix it up' & suits ring game.... why switch to SNG play then? A common player type I'll see in SNG's is the guy who plays too many hands... almost like he/she can't resist'mixing it up'. In SNG play there will be many instances where playing the hand has a positive outcome for winning chips in the longrun (+ chip value) but the cash value of your stack when you win the hand compared to the cash value of your stack when you lose the hand makes it an incorrect play (negative expectation). {can be a negative play even if it's a positive chip play). Many times it's not worth risking chips when you already have a decent stack.
This ^ is part of the difference in SNG play vs. cash game play. There are many other 'things' (< for lack of a better word) that are specific to sng play. If you do choose to switch over to SNG play, even if you're rolled for $20's (ie. $1,000+ bankroll), I would still recommend starting off at the $5's (or $6's if you're choosing to go Turbo route). Jumping in at $16's for example (stars) you're going to run into alot of regs. Buyin suggestion also depends upon what poker site you're playing on & at what time of day (there is a difference).
Personally (if I were you)... I would stick to Ring games.
As far as how playmoney relates to realmoney.... I would've answered that the two don't relate at all and would consider playmoney to be a complete waste of time... BUT.. my playmoney experience is limited to maybe a dozen games a few years ago while getting acquainted with online poker software.
.... why fix it if it ain't broke?

Oh my goodness .. Different sites and different times .. I probably need to read allot more threads

Thanks man for all your info that was great. I think I should maybe take some of my money out of pokerstars and put it in a smaller softer site and play the lower sitngos . then keep playing ring games here on pokerstars and build up a report on the players... This is important to me and I am very happy you guys took your time to help !!

LizzyJ · Mar 3, 2010

McKracken226 said:
Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

I am mostly an STT player. I might play cash every so often because I might be burned out on STT or MTT's and just need a quick change of pace. Maybe it's just me, but no way can I switch back and from between STT and cash and be successfull at both. The games are just too different.

luckytvguy · Mar 3, 2010

two different kinds of game.i dont know play both can have good out come or bad.but i am tring both recently. i need more time to have a conclusion.also , i need ideas from pros.

AUPhoenix · Mar 3, 2010

Sit-N-Go's or Ring Games

Personally, I would think the SNG's ( 9 to 90) people like on Full Tilt would be more profitable. 9 person SNG's typically pay the top 3 or 33% while the some of the 90 person SNG pay the top 18 people or 20%. I would think that would be more profitable in the long run.

Sean Pilgrim · Mar 4, 2010

You want soft you say? bodog... do it!

kmixer · Mar 4, 2010

The higher level play money game do play a lot like micro and low stakes real money games. There are good players at play money tables. You can be good at poker and still not want to risk real money on it.

I do better at SnGs than I do ring games. I have tried both and the stats tell me to play SnG. I am still trying to get a better handle on the ring side of things so that I can play both

Nexus6 · Mar 4, 2010

kmixer said:
The higher level play money game do play a lot like micro and low stakes real money games. There are good players at play money tables. You can be good at poker and still not want to risk real money on it.

I do better at SnGs than I do ring games. I have tried both and the stats tell me to play SnG. I am still trying to get a better handle on the ring side of things so that I can play both

i like what you say here .. when i get comfortable with the table i dont feel any pressure about the money instead i enjoy the game but i wish people would talk more and befriend people that have a comfortable bankroll to do so like I allways do in play money .. That would make playing poker so much more fun. but the fact of money is allmighty takes that out of the game

Specially in tourneys they are so long..

actorjr · Mar 4, 2010

Personally I find if you can play multi SnG's at a time it ends up being more profitable. I have a hard time with more than 4 cash games. It's an individual preference I guess.

forsakenone · Mar 8, 2010

personally i believe that the real money are at cash table. when i first started making money ok pokerstars from freerols i started playing sngs and mtt, with 1$ buy in, i used to kinda break even, first time i tried cash games i lost, tryed again cash and lost again, and again and again, and in sngs and mtt i was making a really small profit, about 6 months of playing sngs and mtt i won about 15$.

tryed once more cash game, the pesky 2nl, tried something new, no limping, more tables at once, play really tight and really aggressive when i have something, found out it works pretty good for me.

btw i want to add that i play 200k playchips buy in, the level is pretty good, players are not that bad, most of them are better than the ones you find at 1$-2$ buyins, i wouldnt go as far as 10$.

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