Old school vs new school

#1 June 2nd, 2020, 3:18 PM

Today that players are one step ahead. Old school (Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, etc) or new school (Linus Loeliger, Adrian Mateos, etc)?

#2 June 2nd, 2020, 3:37 PM

The new school has an advantage over the old school because it has thousands upon thousands of hands played in online poker.
Most of the old school are live players, and live cannot be played at several tables at the same time, instead online, you can play at many tables, and that gives you more experience, so the new school has more advantage , players like bencb789, sasuke234, isidlur1, amadi17, Linus Loeliger, etc.

#3 June 2nd, 2020, 8:10 PM

I find it difficult to collect - where was the case when oldschool was better than new school. If new school was worse than old, there wouldnt be such a thing as new school in the first place.

#4 June 3rd, 2020, 9:10 AM

Poker is much more influenced by mathematics today which makes the game much more dependent on skill than luck (at least on higher levels). As new players today we have the advantage to be able to use wide variety of useful information (books, videos, courses and so on) which simply did not exist 10 or more years ago. And 50 years ago when the really old school players like Doyle Brunson played there was not a single book for poker and the only way to learn was by trial and error approach. We are very lucky to play in this new era of poker.

#5 June 3rd, 2020, 9:16 AM

Old school ! The old school were always way more entertaining as well compared to the new headphones crew Old school vs new school

#6 June 3rd, 2020, 2:38 PM

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#7 June 12th, 2020, 4:15 AM

I believe that the new school is essential for you to have the base to play live mainly.

Now online, with the knowledge of the old school combined with new concepts with the push fold system and the most overwhelming amount, you can add your game.

For me, I always read books of the old choice and then look for content from the new one, always in complement.

#8 June 12th, 2020, 7:36 PM

without thinking twice about the old school, not least because the new school certainly learned from the old school and has to respect it.

#9 June 12th, 2020, 7:56 PM

I think old scholl wins the contest. Daniel Negreanu is the best of all.

#10 June 12th, 2020, 8:05 PM

i go for the old school, poker is an art, sometimes people go only for a game.

#11 June 12th, 2020, 8:10 PM

Originally Posted by ramdon p358

Today that players are one step ahead. Old school (Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, etc) or new school (Linus Loeliger, Adrian Mateos, etc)?

If Ivey and Negreanu are old school they sure do adapt to all changes in poker. Otherwise we be referring to them as old news.

#12 June 13th, 2020, 9:45 AM

Yeah, I felt so old. Since my childhood, I have watched rare TV shows with the final tables of poker tournaments, when Dan Harrington, Gus Hansen, Doyle Brunson were considered players of the old school, who gradually lost their positions to the New school, representatives of which were just Negreanu and Phil Ivey, who played an unusual for that time progressive poker.

And now, many years later, they are old-school players. Even though I'm not 30 yet! Old school vs new school

#13 June 13th, 2020, 9:51 AM

To answer the question, the new school will always be a little ahead, because they bring new ideas, new solutions and new strategies to poker, and the old school always has to go along with the updated principles of the game in order not to be left out of the game.

But there are poker basics that you can always follow to stay a winning player regardless of any changes in poker. Old school vs new school

#14 June 13th, 2020, 12:24 PM

Old school itself implies the fact of more experience. Yes, and the players of the old school for me by name are more by ear. I choose an old school Old school vs new school

#15 June 13th, 2020, 12:45 PM

Poker is constantly changing and players must also change their game in order to win.

#16 June 13th, 2020, 2:45 PM

The old school taught the new school, so the old one would be my choice ... But it is worth remembering that a good student one day outperforms the teacher.

Although online poker can be more profitable than live poker (where the new school ends up having more advantage)

#17 June 14th, 2020, 3:41 AM

The new school has an advantage against the old school. Because it�s getting advance day after day like a technology & science.

#18 June 14th, 2020, 4:12 AM

in my opinion they are equivalent, but in the online game the new school would have a small advantage, something normal due to the evolution of the game itself!

#19 June 14th, 2020, 3:03 PM

If old school or new school definatly depends on the single player, you cant say that in general.
But one thing. Phil Ivey is in my eyes the sickest player on earth. I don�t want to sound like a Fanboy. Hard to think about someone better than him

#20 June 14th, 2020, 5:21 PM

I think the new school of players has an advantage over the old players. Poker today with the boom in online poker, brought new players to a technical analysis and understanding of the game that I personally think puts them way ahead of others.

#21 June 14th, 2020, 5:46 PM

Difficult question. I think both schools are good, the main thing is to work on your game

#22 June 16th, 2020, 1:49 PM

2 of them are good. However, new school has advantages. Becuase, the younger generation has a favor to skill up than the old generation.

#23 June 18th, 2020, 2:48 PM

I see that new school plays with a much wider range. Meaning that they could push old school off hands better. However, if you stick to small ball poker, I think you can win more with old school tactics in live poker. In tournaments at least. Because you survive longer and will take down new school players when they get too fancy. So long as they don't peg you as a passive player. Poker today is a lot more complicated. I try to learn from it, but I am comfortable with my old school style - and really enjoy watching the pros who continue to play old school.

#24 June 19th, 2020, 2:17 AM

Both, you never have to use only one. The basics and the huds, the study and the risk, the old make a good player and the new make too.
But only the player who know both can be one great player.

#25 June 19th, 2020, 6:16 AM

I am not sure the two schools bear much comparison to each other.

Older style players had an intuition which I am not sure is matched in today's game. But, they cannot beat either the volume or studying that comprises the modern game. The modern players are unquestionably technically more sound.

Citing Negreanu as a player who spans both does not cut it for me. Negreanu does not compete regularly at the highest levels because he knows his game will not stand up to that competition. He picks and chooses where and when he plays outside of the WSOP which is smart and plus EV.

If looking for someone who still competes at the highest level after decades playing I would nominate Erik Seidel. That said even he has dialed his schedule back and has been quite open about looking ahead to the possibility the newer generation will so regularly outplay him he might withdraw from the high rollers completely.

Apart from Seidel, the only other I would pose as being truly competitive from the old school is Phil Ivey. He has a heady mixture of intuition and degen gambler. When on a roll he is fearless.

All that said, I honestly think old school does not hold a candle to new school, but this does not mean old school is without merit.

#26 June 19th, 2020, 7:01 AM

I think the old school is held up mainly because of its reputation. Since there are simply no new famous players from the old school. There are old people who hold on. The game of poker is constantly evolving, which means players must

#27 June 19th, 2020, 8:39 AM

It is always new school, meta game for poker is dynamic. What we do today will be different than 5 years from now. What worked now can be exploited by a new model. That being said, what works for 1 level would not make any sense at another level of play. 1/2NL 150BB is vastly different than say 100/200NL 300BB deep.

Pluribus already show that they are different ways to play. And if the meta game shift I am sure AI will find new exploits.

#28 June 19th, 2020, 11:43 PM

I don't think Daniel Negreanu and Phil Ivey are old school ...

#29 June 26th, 2020, 9:37 AM

Originally Posted by carmenzu

I don't think Daniel Negreanu and Phil Ivey are old school ...

Negreanu and Ivey both started their careers before online poker existed. Therefore by definition they are old school as the metric we use is those who developed their game in casinos/card rooms as opposed to those who built their skills online.

That has nothing to do with whether they have transitioned, or remain competitive. Seidel, Negreanu and Ivey all remain competitive to degree but none of them compete with the same regularity in high rollers such as the likes of Chidwick, Kenney and Koon etc.

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