Rules question: "One person to a hand" online?

Okay so if i am watching someone else play poker, either in the same room as them or over screen sharing software, am i allowed to give them input to how to play hand or are there any rules to sweating someone's hand live, thanks

to me its just talking strategy... ive seen greg merson do it in a video on youtube with Gripsed.... so the way i see it, if the 2012 main event champ can do it... its okay.
so after i typed this up... i saw that i had to wait a bit because you can only do 10 post in a 24 hour period... so i took this time to get some videos of pros doing it.. and ive never seen them getting a bad rep about it.

merson giving a quick though on an whether a raise should be made... im sure he does it a bit more, but this is the first one i saw.

and here is the 2 months 2 mil footage...
ended up watching like half of it, i actually didnt find anything where it goes advice first then action... it seems like the editing messed up alot of the dialogue, but really there no way these guys dont throw there input here and there... all they do is play poker in the same room... sometimes with a projector for all the of them to see.. there is even a point where one guy is playing, with 6 people behind him just sweating him, no possible way some didnt shout "raise!", or "just fold it." during however long his session was.

and last piece of video i got is antonio esfandiari telling jason sommerville that he doesnt think he should value bet a certain river.
about 5-6 minutes later he lets antonio actually take the wheel. lol

if anything a players choices i think can be damaged by outside thought. i do think that the long term knowledge can be helped greatly by hearing output in an individual hand, as it offers a new way to approach the scenario in later spots.

but no 2 players are going to play completely alike, i think the person playing is going to have the most control over whats happening... even if you tell him to fold in a spot and he does...the fact is, is that his decisions put him in this spot, and he'll be best equipped to deal with that spot. long-term...his play style dictates the hand dynamic he'll most often be in, and it may not be the same dynamic that the advice-giver is used to.
there is such a high learning curve in this game, especially at the lower stakes, that players are going to play very very differently, and have very different ways of approaching the game.

so i think "mixed" decision making from 2 parties can be just as damaging as it is helpful.. so my vote... is its okay.

I will say...obviously in a live game you dont wanna do this... strictly cause every player at the table can hear which i think is pretty messed up.. so its not a private thought.. and also you'd be giving off key elements of your play style. like if your friend says "just fold", to a bet that could take it to showdown in a friendly heads up live game, and you decide to call... its like you gave him 2 actions before he had to make one in a poker hand. now he knows what 2 cards your showing down...and that folding was an option for you from your friend reenforcing the decision, but you didnt take it...and called.

if you are in the same room, why not i did it myself. I don't know i think it's not allowed to talk in the chat about how to play his hand, the other members can see discussion =0

Yeh its allowed / impossible to detect anyways.

i think its fine as long as your not playing i the same game

But I thought you can't hand the wheel of, so to speak, to another player unless there are unusual circumstances like a power outage at your house. Obviously do way to detect if you are literally letting someone else hit your keyboard for you, but I thought in general this is big no-no. For example you could let your 12 year old kid play, which is definitely illegal. Again, no way to know, but I definitely don't think it's legal on pokerstars at least.

Difficult, if not impossible

Difficult if not impossible to control on line players. How would one know what is happening at the other end of the table.

another thought i have, don't couples play hands at live casinos sometimes? like in that movie lucky you, or even in rounders?! i have never been to a vegas like setting where there are tons of tourist, but i know for a fact there have to be couples that play together the way they do in those movies.
so it happens live too.

suckoutartist said:

another thought i have, don't couples play hands at live casinos sometimes? like in that movie lucky you, or even in rounders?! i have never been to a vegas like setting where there are tons of tourist, but i know for a fact there have to be couples that play together the way they do in those movies.
so it happens live too.

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That's different though - what OP is talking about is getting advice from a friend during the hand on what they should do. Using the "phone a friend" option, essentially.

By contrast, two people who know each other can play at the same live table and never discuss the content of their hands or give each other advice during the hand.

Do no think you, first it is not very comfortable and dj not think that somebdy wil listen to your advice.

I think it is fine as long as you are not playing the same game or torneyment, then it is collusion and this is defintly ageinst the rules, but it still takes place online all the time so watch out for it.

the couple situation does take place all the time.. and although its fine if they dont descuss hands it almost always is ending in some sort of collusion even if they arnt thinking they are actualy trying to cheat.. luckily most couples playing together are normaly not very skilled.. but this is not always the case.. normaly thay are not sharing much hand info and are not skilled at or even trying to cheat and are more just giving some overlyeducated advice.. I would more watch out for two men that look like they play each other all the time and know what they are doing.. these players although arnt alway working together alot of time you can be sure they have descussed it.. especialy if they are younger and dont look like they are all that rich.

If A tournament director ask to see your hand would you show it?

IBDMAN said:

If A tournament director ask to see your hand would you show it?

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I'm struggling to think of a time when a tournament director would even ask that in the first place...

I've very occasionally seen a TD ask a player to tell them what they had, in cases where a hand was mucked accidentally and they're trying to retrieve the cards from the muck (the player that had her hand mucked while she was all in during the wsop main event a few years ago is an example).

But I can't think of any reason that a TD would ask a player to show them the contents of a live hand. What situation did you have in mind?

OzExorcist said:

I'm struggling to think of a time when a tournament director would even ask that in the first place...

I've very occasionally seen a TD ask a player to tell them what they had, in cases where a hand was mucked accidentally and they're trying to retrieve the cards from the muck (the player that had her hand mucked while she was all in during the WSOP main event a few years ago is an example).

But I can't think of any reason that a TD would ask a player to show them the contents of a live hand. What situation did you have in mind?

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There was a situation at a recent PCA event where a player kept tanking close to the bubble I think in order to spite other players at the table who may have made some remarks towards him.

A tournament director eventually checked his hand when he did it the next time to judge whether it was reasonable time for the decision. E.g. in case he had 27o every time he was repping a hand decision like JJ.

Whilst I can understand why they did this, it also sets a dangerous precedent. Honestly I think most tournament directors get too much power over poker. If they wanna look at hands and decide what is a correct way to play then they should play the game.

If a player is taking too long every time just put them on the clock every time. No need to look at any hands.