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Has anybody noticed the time it takes the river card to be dealt online seems to vary. I have noticed that when i am about to be rivered it takes longer to be dealt, as if it s searching for the one or two outer...or am i just being paranoid..lol.
 
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Has anybody noticed the time it takes the river card to be dealt online seems to vary. I have noticed that when i am about to be rivered it takes longer to be dealt, as if it s searching for the one or two outer...or am i just being paranoid..lol.
DUDE!!!! i have totally noticed that sometimes on stars it pauses before the river card is dealt and that is completely wierd cause it is a programme and it is not supposed to do that.


Now, thats either, a glitch in the system ,OR, the system looking for the one outter that will make you lose . LOL. but yea ive noticed and it seems extremely wierd.
let me point out that i am a hardcore believer that online poker is NOT rigged. i just have noticed it too.:cheers:
 
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The river card comes out faster when someone has a lock by the turn. It's a dramatic pause built into the software.

Or it's rigged, obv.
 
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I used to be a firm believe that online poker was rigged, then not rigged, then rigged again, then not rigged. I eventually settled into not rigged when I continued to read about the pros who make their livings playing 8, 12, 16, and 24 tables at a time playing online poker and tend to believe them because there seems to be so many of them doing this and talking about their hands and stuff at a very high level. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by putting in the volume and maintaining a slight edge over their opponents. I think the reason it seems rigged is because over a short long-term, say 1,000 tournaments, you can suffer bad beat after bad beat after bad beat, and other forms of bad luck in poker and be a losing player during that short stretch of 1,000 tourneys while still playing a winning form of poker, only making up for it during those occasional short bursts where you, the pro, are the lucky one. Those pros have come to realize the true nature of variance in tourneys.

So, if you're a cash game player, thank God for that, although variance can get a little ugly there too.

But I have no explanation about the delay before being dealt the river card. Please do a thorough study and make sure that same delay doesn't sometimes exist even after you've been dealt a favorable river card and make sure your study is at least 100 hands long, OK?
 
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I agree i do not think it is rigged but it does seem a bit odd.
 
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The thing that convinced me that it wasn't rigged was when I went on a stretch of 33 live tourneys in a row (in the casino) without cashing, suffering the ugliest most brutal bad beats and other patterns of bad luck that went on for tourney after tourney after tourney.....only to find out later that such a streak is completely standard. Leaks in my game helping to cause that streak? Absolutely, but on the other hand, it was truly brutal and makes the threads in this forum about bad beats make me go "you ain't seen nuthin' yet".
 
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Lol, I noticed this as well! its funny though that it comes fast when you're the one getting the river card. Maybe that is how they build the software. So once you called and it takes time then get ready to lose but once you called and it comes fast then get ready to win! lol
 
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I too have noticed it. I think it's just for drama and suspense at the table, but I'm most likely wrong as I don't spend much time noticing I'm usually focusing on praying my hand can hold up for once ;)
 
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I too have noticed it. I think it's just for drama and suspense at the table, but I'm most likely wrong as I don't spend much time noticing I'm usually focusing on praying my hand can hold up for once ;)
yea sure the drama bit is great, but why would it not happen each time and only happens once in a while.? thats what im thinking.
 
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You mean to tell me you think you can tell the difference in the amount of time it takes a sophisticated piece of software to randomly select one out of 27 to 35 variables (cards) versus selecting a specific one out of 27 to 35 variables (cards).
You are one fast motherxxxxxx.
 
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there are going to be differences in the timing of cards being dealt from time to time, only in what you see on your PC, due to inconsistencies in the network connection. the card is being dealt in the same amount of time as previously, but that does not mean your connection will allow you to witness that as it is happening consistently every time.
 
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Lol actually I have noticed the same thing. At the beginning I believe it is because of my network connection and now I am sure that it indeed takes different time. However, I have not observed the correlation between the out and the time consumption.
 
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Based on the research I have done about RNG and the algorithms and codes (yes there is typically more than one extra code written into the algorithms for security purposes) The deck is being randomly shuffled while a hand is going on (this is a fact)... so the longer you take to make a decision it (the computer) continues to shuffle the deck until action for another card is needed and then is chosen and presented. in some cases (different sites different scenarios) there is actually more than one deck of cards involved into the equation. Multiple decks are being continuously shuffled and cards are randomly chosen from the giant bank of cards. So for example say you're in a tournament, and there are 10 tables active... all 10 decks could be being shuffled continuously together and dealt out at random (this is done to ensure people can not predict/hack the software to enable them to know what card is coming next, again for security) If the program chooses a card that has already been in play.... it keeps drawing until it has drawn a card that has not yet been chosen in that hand, after all it is a computer and being a computer it is not capable of being random, its just PROGRAMMED to produce a RESULT. The result being DO NOT duplicate a value (the card) during one hand. So the pause for the river card could be the computer grabbing cards (again from more that one deck) that were already in play at that table, and needing to select another card (value) that has not been chosen/dealt in that hand. It's kinda hard to explain but i think i got it as good as I can... if you still are like wtf are you talking about you rigtard... LOOK IT UP, there is information out there about how these RNGs actually work. remember these programs are not capable of being random... they're just programmed to produce certain results over a certain number of hands. As long as they comply to that... anything goes :)
 
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More rigged conclusions, great.


im not saying that it's rigged... maybe manipulated... but not rigged. go read the interview questions with howard lederer and he explains a little bit about how the algorithms and shit work... besides a main algorithm (which is usually changed week to week or month to month) there are other codes in effect to ensure that people can not hack the RNG system (because it has been done before) so multiple codes ensure that no one can sync up with the system because it is fact is not capable of being truly random OTHERWISE they wouldnt need to change codes....

Edit: but not every site operates the same way... it varies site to site...
 
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It's a deliberate feature included by the programmers of some poker sites to get your hopes up just that teeny little bit before crushing them. Said programmers implemented it because their managers told them they weren't allowed to kick puppies any more and they had to find another outlet for their sadistic tendencies. There's no such thing as cruelty to poker players laws, after all.
 
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All of you are too gd paranoid. Stop smoking them tweeds.
 
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I think the delay in internet speeds is a very good arguement and makes sense.But the RNG is designed to deal action hands and will put big hands against each other more often then in a live game.
 
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"shrugs"

why play then?


There may be one of the many software programmers who are also members here that will respond to this.

But since they have so many times, they may not care anymore.

Do you base your knowledge of RNG programing solely on your poker results????
 
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Another ridic thread.

A system as powerful as an online poker site would not need a delay to 'rig' a card, it would happen just as fast.

pokerstars has been tested many times and its not rigged.

I guess its a good thing that common sense is lacking in so many people.
 
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Obviously opinions vary on this subject and it has been discussed many times before so lets leave it there.
 
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Really? its just like live dealers when the hand comes down to the river and ether person can win they pause to make u sweat. its a computer it doesn't need time to flip one more card or ''search'' for one and if it was internet it wouldn't only pause on the river. there's no way its rigged they wouldn't make it that obvious
 
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