Returning to NLHE after Super Tilt and Learning From It

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I started to learn + actively play poker almost a month ago. I went from playing 6+ hrs/day average to feeling so disgusted I couldn't play again until today.

For the first two weeks, I felt like my playing was pretty average. I'd been learning the game via a bunch of different blogs and trying my hand different mico-stake options - and I felt good. Well, that's not to say I was winning all the time. After a few MTT cashes, and one decent freeroll win, I was probably down only a few dollars below my initial investment.

Until last Sunday, December 1st.

My developing poker habit was to start my day with low-stakes cash tables or < $25 freerolls; but only if the FR wouldn't interfere with tourneys I would play later in the day. I felt like (and, to an extent, still feel like) this was a good way to warm up for later MTTs with bigger payouts.

I was playing on wsop-NV - I really like their software, and I prefer to play ring games w/o anonymity. I dropped about $6 at the table, within about 90 minutes of play. While that doesn't sound terrible, I should mention the stakes were the lowest of the low --.01/.02.

Either way, I was too aggravated with myself to play anymore poker. Something in me had sort of snapped, and I felt like the smartest thing to was walk away.

So I unregistered from the online tournaments I was scheduled to play. And preceded to watch my team, The Saints, get squashed by The Seahawks. Oh, and drink too many amber cervezas too quickly.

Needless to say, I was got pretty pissed off / down about the whole session. I didn't play poker, or even think about poker until two days later.

While it was probably a number of things that made me get so tilted, I think it was mainly because:

- I made too many poor decisions in my last game, and too quickly.
- For 2+ weeks, I'd been playing every day; minimum 2 hrs/day, max 10 hrs/day. I was burnt out.
- Also, I think my patience (aka tightness) had wore pretty thin, after going on full grind.

After a day and evaluating my reaction, I realized these poker mistakes actually speak to my character - who I am. So, I decided to take these mistakes and convert them into lessons (aka, experience points.)

I went back to reading about poker. I pursued my other interests. I drank slightly less. I didn't play for six days.

In that time, I made a few decisions that I think will help my game:

1) Start screen-capping all sessions
2) Focus on MTTs and read more before pursuing cash games
2) Limit buy-ins for the day, no matter how early I bust out of a tourney
3) Instead of worrying about losing, or hoping to win - focus only on playing optimal poker

Cut to today. I warmed up with a $1 buy-in tourney at WSOP.com. It felt less stressful than a ring game, and I played more comfortably.

I just busted out of a Bovada $500gtd; I feel like I lost playing a well varied, mostly tight style.

Now, as I gear up for the Bovada 3 After 2kgtd, I thought to share what - I feel - is a common amongst all players - not just the beginners. But, I think it's easier for a novice player to take his beats to heart, and not learn fully from them.

Have you had similar experiences? What did you do to learn from your tilt when you were first learning the game? Has that changed now as you've played more hands?
 
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Just follow the golden rule, dont bet money you cant afford to lose. Enjoy your play and be within your limits. According to statistics a large majority of players lose, so hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.
 
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What really opened my eyes to how much tilt has affected my game is the results I get when I'm not tilted. This has been a much bigger problem for me than I had realized, when I'm tilted I tend to both tighten up way too much and I also get tunnel vision, meaning I'm no longer paying attention to anything beyond my hole cards.

It's been about 8 months since I started playing seriously, and one significant issue that I've had is not being able to quit when I'm behind and on tilt, because I'm trying to get back to where I was when I started the session. If you're tilted, and keep on playing to try to get your bankroll back to where you started, you are basically tossing the money down the rat hole because the tilt and the losing keep reinforcing each other.

You're way ahead of many others though, because you're able to admit that you've been on tilt and that it's causing you problems. A lot of people just start ranting about bad beats and insisting that online poker is rigged.
 
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Always remember to have fun and also not bet on money that you cant afford to lose. IF you play smart and fun you will win big money.
 
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If you intend to become a winning player, you have to learn to deal with losing well enough so you won't piss away your winnings.

The quality of your game isn't just a matter of how you play when you're on an even keel. It's based on all your play, including when you're tilted.

Also, you might want to keep in mind that although a lot of the advice in this forum tends to be about stopping / taking a break when you're tilted, the full measure of your ability to address tilt also includes how well you can improve your self-control so you tilt less easily, less often and less severely.
 
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My advice would be to consider all the poker money you spend as entertainment expenses. Win or lose, you should strive to have fun.

My motto is; He who lasts longest has the most fun.
 
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You gotta have fun for sure man. im glad your back at it tho and in a better place with poker in general
 
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Just follow the golden rule, dont bet money you cant afford to lose. Enjoy your play and be within your limits. According to statistics a large majority of players lose, so hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

The golden rule of having fun but still being able to eat food, right? :D

Luckily, my money situation isn't desperate, as it has been in the past. The harder part here is actually limiting my play (oh, vices) and finding joy in all situations, win or lose.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
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What really opened my eyes to how much tilt has affected my game is the results I get when I'm not tilted. This has been a much bigger problem for me than I had realized, when I'm tilted I tend to both tighten up way too much and I also get tunnel vision, meaning I'm no longer paying attention to anything beyond my hole cards.

Exactly! I think tunnel vision is a great way to say it -- because you're no longer thinking about the other plays at the table; other than the obligatory cursing of them and their families.

My only difference is I don't think I tightened up when titlting - I became the classic steam engine who shoves his medium stack with 109s after catching a bad beat on JJ.

It's been about 8 months since I started playing seriously, and one significant issue that I've had is not being able to quit when I'm behind and on tilt, because I'm trying to get back to where I was when I started the session. If you're tilted, and keep on playing to try to get your bankroll back to where you started, you are basically tossing the money down the rat hole because the tilt and the losing keep reinforcing each other.

I think that this, in a nutshell, is what happened to me two Sundays ago, when I dropped too much cash, too quickly, at a ring game on WSOP.com.

I feel like you want to play poker because it's lots of fun. And you really want to win, and make some money; that's when it's really fun. And then you stop enjoying yourself when you lose, and just focus on the money that you "need to make back."

When, really, all along, you should try and keep yourself in that first sentence: "play poker because it's lots of fun."

That's why I'm putting a lot of focus on just playing optimal poker - not focusing on winning, or avoiding losing... just being a good player, and taking that as deep into a tourney as I can.

You're way ahead of many others though, because you're able to admit that you've been on tilt and that it's causing you problems. A lot of people just start ranting about bad beats and insisting that online poker is rigged.

Thanks! I think writing about my feelings and experiences is helping keep me objective about my play. Along with developing good studying habits, I think that connecting with other players and documenting my game will lead to big gains.
 
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You gotta have fun for sure man. im glad your back at it tho and in a better place with poker in general

Thanks! It's important to remember this basic pillar of... well, anything you do. If you don't have fun doing it, don't do it.

My advice would be to consider all the poker money you spend as entertainment expenses. Win or lose, you should strive to have fun.

My motto is; He who lasts longest has the most fun.

The "entertainment expenses" is a good point. And, actually, how I first started looking at my poker play... where it got tricky for me was thinking about "being a professional" and "return on investment." And with my focus on stuff like that and not on optimal poker play - I took a lot of fun out of the game.

Great motto, too.

Always remember to have fun and also not bet on money that you cant afford to lose. IF you play smart and fun you will win big money.

Thanks, Frankie. There's a definite theme in the feedback I've been given here - and that's to have fun! It's funny how easy it is to forget something that simple...
 
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If you intend to become a winning player, you have to learn to deal with losing well enough so you won't piss away your winnings.

The quality of your game isn't just a matter of how you play when you're on an even keel. It's based on all your play, including when you're tilted.

Also, you might want to keep in mind that although a lot of the advice in this forum tends to be about stopping / taking a break when you're tilted, the full measure of your ability to address tilt also includes how well you can improve your self-control so you tilt less easily, less often and less severely.

Okay, I think there's a lot of wisdom in your above statement. It made me think that even the best players - with the most surgical of emotions - will experience tilt at the table... so, a good player should be able to recognize that, and play alongside of it.

What have you done to work on your self-control and tilt management? Has that changed from when you first started playing, to now?
 
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The golden rule of having fun but still being able to eat food, right? :D

Luckily, my money situation isn't desperate, as it has been in the past. The harder part here is actually limiting my play (oh, vices) and finding joy in all situations, win or lose.

Thanks for the feedback.

No problems, good luck with all your games.
 
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play mtts only and you will be better

I started to learn + actively play poker almost a month ago. I went from playing 6+ hrs/day average to feeling so disgusted I couldn't play again until today.

For the first two weeks, I felt like my playing was pretty average. I'd been learning the game via a bunch of different blogs and trying my hand different mico-stake options - and I felt good. Well, that's not to say I was winning all the time. After a few MTT cashes, and one decent freeroll win, I was probably down only a few dollars below my initial investment.

Until last Sunday, December 1st.

My developing poker habit was to start my day with low-stakes cash tables or < $25 freerolls; but only if the FR wouldn't interfere with tourneys I would play later in the day. I felt like (and, to an extent, still feel like) this was a good way to warm up for later MTTs with bigger payouts.

I was playing on WSOP-NV - I really like their software, and I prefer to play ring games w/o anonymity. I dropped about $6 at the table, within about 90 minutes of play. While that doesn't sound terrible, I should mention the stakes were the lowest of the low --.01/.02.

Either way, I was too aggravated with myself to play anymore poker. Something in me had sort of snapped, and I felt like the smartest thing to was walk away.

So I unregistered from the online tournaments I was scheduled to play. And preceded to watch my team, The Saints, get squashed by The Seahawks. Oh, and drink too many amber cervezas too quickly.

Needless to say, I was got pretty pissed off / down about the whole session. I didn't play poker, or even think about poker until two days later.

While it was probably a number of things that made me get so tilted, I think it was mainly because:

- I made too many poor decisions in my last game, and too quickly.
- For 2+ weeks, I'd been playing every day; minimum 2 hrs/day, max 10 hrs/day. I was burnt out.
- Also, I think my patience (aka tightness) had wore pretty thin, after going on full grind.

After a day and evaluating my reaction, I realized these poker mistakes actually speak to my character - who I am. So, I decided to take these mistakes and convert them into lessons (aka, experience points.)

I went back to reading about poker. I pursued my other interests. I drank slightly less. I didn't play for six days.

In that time, I made a few decisions that I think will help my game:

1) Start screen-capping all sessions
2) Focus on MTTs and read more before pursuing cash games
2) Limit buy-ins for the day, no matter how early I bust out of a tourney
3) Instead of worrying about losing, or hoping to win - focus only on playing optimal poker

Cut to today. I warmed up with a $1 buy-in tourney at WSOP.com. It felt less stressful than a ring game, and I played more comfortably.

I just busted out of a Bovada $500gtd; I feel like I lost playing a well varied, mostly tight style.

Now, as I gear up for the Bovada 3 After 2kgtd, I thought to share what - I feel - is a common amongst all players - not just the beginners. But, I think it's easier for a novice player to take his beats to heart, and not learn fully from them.

Have you had similar experiences? What did you do to learn from your tilt when you were first learning the game? Has that changed now as you've played more hands?


What i see from you is what happened to me when a tryed to play cash, i tilt then i start to do stupid things

so now i prefer to focus on mtt, why? because that way i only lose my buy in when i lose my control,

another thing i learn to do, is to try enter the mtt via cheaper cost satellites, so then i have to remember myself every moment of the tourney that i have played a lot, first to enter and then to reach the level i have reached, so try to focus more in y game and what is going on on the table

also i try to write down all the hands i ´ve won starting behind and put it up thanks to board (hitting a set or a flush, etc) so that way i say to myself well, it´s fair to lose in the river when i have won in the river 2 or 3 times before so keep calm,
 
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No matter what it's a gamble

Even playing on tilt can some times pay off, any to two cards before the flop can win
 
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What i see from you is what happened to me when a tryed to play cash, i tilt then i start to do stupid things

so now i prefer to focus on mtt, why? because that way i only lose my buy in when i lose my control,

Totally agree. We're more comfortable playing tourneys. As much as I like the idea of rake-back, and being able to make quick gains, I get stressed knowing the money I'm betting is actual dollars-and-cents-chips rather than tourney chips.

another thing i learn to do, is to try enter the mtt via cheaper cost satellites, so then i have to remember myself every moment of the tourney that i have played a lot, first to enter and then to reach the level i have reached, so try to focus more in y game and what is going on on the table

Interesting thought on sattys. I don't really play them, unless it's a new depositor 100k qualifier on Bovada or something.

Even playing on tilt can some times pay off, any to two cards before the flop can win

If luck wasn't part of the game; no one would win, because no one would play.
 
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Okay, I think there's a lot of wisdom in your above statement. It made me think that even the best players - with the most surgical of emotions - will experience tilt at the table... so, a good player should be able to recognize that, and play alongside of it.

What have you done to work on your self-control and tilt management? Has that changed from when you first started playing, to now?
There are two aspects to tilt. One is getting upset. The other is playing badly because you're upset.

Some people have a natural advantage because their personalities are such that they don't get upset as easily. We all have the ability to improve in this regard, although how much and how quickly will vary from person to person. For many people, there's also a desensitization-like effect where you react less to something after you've experienced in more and more.

We also have different natural levels of ability in terms of being able to discipline ourselves so that being upset has the least possible impact on our play. And here again, I think we all have the ability to improve.
 
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