Reasonable or bad thinking on my part?

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Had been playing at a new .05/.10 NL table when this happened:

Had AKo and two people limped in front of me. I made a pot sized raise and was called by a limper and one other person.

The flop came 333, the limper bet the pot, and it was my turn to act.

Here was my thinking:

1.) Dang! I was going to do that.
2.) He limped and then called me with AQ, 89s, or some such hand and might be trying to steal the pot. In which case I'm ahead.
3.) Based on his action pre-flop I don't think he has AA/KK
4.) He might though have a middle pair and now a full house.
5.) Because I raised big pre-flop, even if he has a small pair, if I re-raise him now, he will think I have a better pair and might very well fold.
6.) Even if he has a pair and stays in, I most likely have some outs (Aces, Kings, the last 3).

I put him all in (not quite pot sized), he stayed, had QQ, and I sucked out on him.

How was my thinking on that hand? Good? Muddled? In what way?
 
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You should have assumed he had a pocket pair if he limp called your raise and then bet the flop... most likely the only limp calls you're getting if you arent playing a complete donkey are pocket pairs and suited connectors... you only had 7 outs assuming this situation
 
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You can find much better spots to at .05/.10

You are WA/WB and your opponents bet suggests the latter.

He's not a thinker (donking vs going for check raise) so, asking him to read your raise on the flop as a bigger pair is a stretch.

You're around 25% to win if he has a pair. If the pot+his call gives you better than 3-1 on your raise then I could see it but I don't think that was the case.
 
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aHH AK powerhouse preflop

dumpy620_84 said:
Had been playing at a new .05/.10 NL table when this happened:

Had AKo and two people limped in front of me. I made a pot sized raise and was called by a limper and one other person.

The flop came 333, the limper bet the pot, and it was my turn to act.

Here was my thinking:

1.) Dang! I was going to do that.
2.) He limped and then called me with AQ, 89s, or some such hand and might be trying to steal the pot. In which case I'm ahead.
3.) Based on his action pre-flop I don't think he has AA/KK
4.) He might though have a middle pair and now a full house.
5.) Because I raised big pre-flop, even if he has a small pair, if I re-raise him now, he will think I have a better pair and might very well fold.
6.) Even if he has a pair and stays in, I most likely have some outs (Aces, Kings, the last 3).

I put him all in (not quite pot sized), he stayed, had QQ, and I sucked out on him.

How was my thinking on that hand? Good? Muddled? In what way?
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Good Old AK, the most overplayed hand in Holdem in my opinion.

my feeling is you started with a premium Hand which Ak most certainly is,

and the reason you moved over the top of him, was because you wanted

to have the best hand. Rarther than deducing from his action of betting the pot that he has to have a pair. IMO opinion not a very good play in

the longterm Because you are only getting called here if you are beaten.

Also at this level you should expect to get called here all the way

downto 22 from typical opponents. While it is true you have outs if he has QQ.

solid winning players put their whole stack in the middle when they are a

fav.

to win the hand you were drawing to 6 cards. This was not a

high percentage play as he had to put you on a decent hand. Afterall you

did raise preflop didn't you?
 
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dumpy620_84 said:
Had been playing at a new .05/.10 NL table when this happened:

Had AKo and two people limped in front of me. I made a pot sized raise and was called by a limper and one other person.

The flop came 333, the limper bet the pot, and it was my turn to act.

Here was my thinking:

1.) Dang! I was going to do that.
2.) He limped and then called me with AQ, 89s, or some such hand and might be trying to steal the pot. In which case I'm ahead.
3.) Based on his action pre-flop I don't think he has AA/KK
4.) He might though have a middle pair and now a full house.
5.) Because I raised big pre-flop, even if he has a small pair, if I re-raise him now, he will think I have a better pair and might very well fold.
6.) Even if he has a pair and stays in, I most likely have some outs (Aces, Kings, the last 3).

I put him all in (not quite pot sized), he stayed, had QQ, and I sucked out on him.

How was my thinking on that hand? Good? Muddled? In what way?
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You should simply be thinking a flop of 333 and an early flop raiser is not a good spot to bluff.

He either has a FH, which gives you pretty much 0 fold equity. Or he has nothing. Its goint to get expensive finding out.

So you have 6 outs. So you need 7:1 pot odds. The fact that you have 0 fold equity means that you can probably take a little less, maybe 5:1 and make the remainder up with a river bet should you hit.

The pot is offering you 2:1.. not even close.

Whats the point of the all-in (especially on the flop) If you are ahead now, then you are most likely ahead at showdown. If you are currently behing (he has a FH) then he will call anyway.

This really isnt a good flop to bluff at.
 
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Ok first of all next time you post a hand, don't include your results so you get advice without people knowing what happened.
On the flop I would of personally just flatted his bet if I felt like he was bluffing, then make my decision on the turn. Since this is 10nl and most people aren't very good thinkers, on the turn if he had a hand he would bet again, if he didn't he would most likely shut down and let you take the pot away, plus you have some outs you can hit if he has a mid pair, but yea raising here is bad, you are never called by worse and your always called by PP.
 
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Knowing the conclusion i would say it was a great play, But i agree AK is truely the most overplayed hand in holdem...

But due to the widely spread types of players and diffrent styles...I have noticed AK generally pays off on the big suckout in the lower limits.
AK in higher stakes could cost an arm and a leg ...lol...

Good luck on the Felt
 
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