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If you want longterm success at poker, then luck is insufficient. 
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Already in my opinion there are many other factors to be applied, I have read several books and one of them had a good explanation of the concept luck in the game of Poker. Luck exists in the game of poker? The answer would be yes more there is a concept because it exists, we have nowadays many young players playing so without understanding the practical concept and technical Poker many of these end up playing the wrong way and winning on luck, but the concept of luck he ends up in the poker game when a player knows that practical and technical concept and applies, then the luck that there was going to be called variance. What is a doa trend topics in the forums in a matter of BAD BEAT AND breakage BANK ROLL

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I will divide the part of the book Poker MBR I read that speaks to this issue, I know that the text was big plus hopefully help you in your questions on this subject.
1. Poker is a game of both skill as luck. A popular debate dentroda poker community is whether poker is a gambling game habilidadeou. Each hand is effectively given a new start, so can logically seem that way to win is to try to win every hand. But the hand winner is effectively determined randomly. In any hand, the cards you get are random, the cards your opponent gets are random, and the community cards are also random. An experienced player can not do anything to increase your chances to win than to make your opponent fold. However, looking more deeply you will see the hidden skill element. Poker is not about winning the most hands; it comes to making more money. In fact, the way the game is structured makes winning every hand is a bad idea. Each hand has only one winner, then it will be better to choose the best spots and play hands that you think give you an advantage. A player trying to win every hand end losing a lot of money in the process. The result is that the best players tend to win fewer hands and more money. It is hard to think of another game that the players win the minority of games; this is one aspect in poker and often makes it look like a game of luck. But there is also a considerable element of skill. At various times of a hand, players are placed on betting decisions. They should analyze the available information (such as your own hand, the community cards, and the bet of your opponent), and then use their judgment to make decisions. From the moment that there is room for judgment, there is room for error, and where there is room for error, there is of course, an element of skill involved. 2. In the short term, luck prevails. Although poker is a game of both skill as luck in the short term it can be very difficult to analyze the skill element. To win a pot in poker you must have the best hand at showdown or force your opponents foldem your hands before reaching the showdown, but once you arrive at the showdown is purely who has the best cards, not who has more skill . There will be occasions where you can win pots forcing your opponents to fold, but obviously this is only possible when none of your opponents have a good hand. In short, the result of an individual hand in poker is largely based on luck. As discussed in the previous section, the skill in poker appears when you lose less with their losing hands and win more with your winning hands, but this is also an imprecise science during the period of a mão.Por example, let's say you are playing NLH and goes all in with a strong hand like AK against a weak hand like AK 72. the odds be the best hand on the river is only 2 to 1. Although it is a considerable advantage by no means a guarantee of victory. It is perfectly possible to make good decisions in one hand and be punished for it, or, from another point of view, make bad decisions and be rewarded. Even during a good part of the long term, things will go not always good for the skilled player. A good player can have a bad run for some time through a combination of receiving bad cards, take bad beats, or simply miss draws and lost to draws with a much higher than average frequency. Each individual hand contain a large element of luck. It is easy for these sorts of eventualities add both a great good run or a bad run bad for a player, even considering a relatively large number of hands. To illustrate, suppose you in a week has 100 flush draws. In Hold'em, a flush draw on the flop is about 2 to 1 to hit up the river, then you should hit about 33 flushes these 100 hands. Suppose going well you'll hit 40, and if it goes wrong, you'll hit only 25. Now also consider that the same applies to the flush draws of your opponents. The luck of the short term both their own and their opponents combined can make a big difference in your week. If you go wrong, you will win 3325 = 8 pots less than you would expect to earn on average. If your opponent goes well, they will overcome 4033 = 7 pots more than you would expect on average. This all adds a total of 15 pots unless you expect to win on average. 15 pots is a lot of money. And that's just talking about flush draws  a simple variable of the hundreds that exist in poker. How many times your pockets pairs trincam? How many times a hand like AQ break an AK? How often you flop two pair and discover that your opponent has a better hand? No matter how well you play; these types of statistics affect all poker players in the short term, thus covering up the skill element. 3. Longterm, the ability impera.X The good news for the winning player is that if you play long enough, luck will cease to be a factor. Mathematicians know this intuitively, but for those of us less fortunate mathematically, imagine a coin. Any currency move up, you have a 50% chance to get out and face a 50% chance to get out crown. If you throw a coin up, you expect her to fall face 5 times and 5 times crown. The odds for a number of guys are as follows (figures are approximate due to rounding). Number of heads Probability 0  0.1% 1  1% 2  4% 3  12% 4  20% 5  25% 6  20% 7  12% 8  4% 9  1% 10  0.1% As expected, 5 is the most likely number, and 4:06 are also quite likely, but the chance of more extreme results are still significant. Approximately 17% chance to get out 7 or more expensive. But what if we flip the coin 100 times? Now calculate the chance of getting 70 or more expensive (the same proportion as before), we now find that this possibility is 0.004% (or one in 250 times). The more often you repeat a random event, the smaller the chance of having an extreme result. This mathematical theory, often called "law of large samples", has an important consequence in poker. According you play more and more poker hands, the chances of being extremely lucky or unlucky decreases. Whereas when playing a sufficient amount of hands is luck is virtually eliminated, leaving only the ability to determine the results. Unfortunately, it may take a long time for the effects of luck disappear. We can say that after 100,000 hands a winning player will surely get profit, but even that is uncertain, especially if it is only marginally winner. It is almost certain that this period until the 100,000 hands, there will be periods of 100, 1,000 or even 10,000 hands where the player loses money, but this should be rewarded for periods where the player wins more than the expectation. The more hands you play, the less important the luck factor. 4. Poker is a game of small advantages Much money runs the poker table. For example, a starting Limit Hold'em $ 20 $ 40 may have an average pot $ 250. With pots of this size, you expect players who are winning make a lot of money. After all, every pot they win pay them more than most people earn in a day! However, poker does not work that way. While you can be earning $ 250 a time, in the short term poker money will run the table, then to a good player does not win more than a fair share. Once you take into account the rake, even the best players are cashing little comparing to the average pot size. For example, in Limit Hold'em, a good player can win one big bet per hour. It may seem that a winner in the $ 20 $ 40 is earning hundreds of dollars at a time, while in reality it is probably making about $ 40 an hour. Put another way, a good player limit will take a few hours to get to have a profit equal to the average pot size. All this is due to the fact that winning players earn money from the mistakes of their opponents, who are generally small in nature. In poker, any hand can win, and it is rare to have the nuts while betting. So even when opponents pay when they should not, they still have a chance of winning, especially if they entendemum little about poker and are not willing to for money in the pot with horrible pot odds. These small errors add up over time, allowing the best players win, but they never win so much that seem to win given the size of the pots. 5. Poker is a high variance game This is the effective completion of all Poker Realities described above. Poker is a game of luck and skill, but in the short term, luck runs, so in the short term the results will be extremely distorted. Combine this with the fact that the advantage of good players is very small, and the result is that the winning players will have almost as many losers as winners sessions! In fact, a winning player may have even more losing than winning sessions, if the player is willing to close your session when you lose a certain value. Imagine players from $ 20 $ 40 limit hold'em described before, making an average of $ 40 per hour. In a 6hour session, he can expect to about $ 240, which is about the average size of the pot! It is not difficult to see how the result of one or two pots can turn a winning session in a losing session and vice versa. Some losing sessions, and suddenly you find yourself in a downswing while some winning sessions indicate an upswing. Only after you play thousands and thousands of hands you can look at the aggregate result of all these edownswings upswings and analyze the longterm trend. One final note  again look at the title of this section, "Understanding and accepting the Realities of Poker." You need to understand the realities of the 5 poker, but the most important is that you accept them. For example, there is no sense in understanding the large presence of the element of luck in the short term and then later complain that you lost 40 big bets in one session. A good player understands the realities of poker and then accept them, with the knowledge that is the very nature of plays that will help you be successful. Or being more clear, if you do not like it, do not play. 
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