tony4680
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yeah I don't know what your talking about.
if player A bets 100,
player B raise to500
player C goes all in for 550
player D calls 550
player A calls 450
in this situation player B has only two options(like he's ever folding) either fold or call. He cannot reraise only call the 50 because it is not a legitimate raise but that doesn't affect player A or D's ability to make a raise.
Is that what you were talking about?
if player A bets 100,
player B raise to500
player C goes all in for 550
player D calls 550
player A calls 450
in this situation player B has only two options(like he's ever folding) either fold or call. He cannot reraise only call the 50 because it is not a legitimate raise but that doesn't affect player A or D's ability to make a raise.
Is that what you were talking about?
absoluthamm
<==Poker Face
Silver Level
What else would he be raising to if he only had 600 and the bet was already 550?
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
I'd go with this too ... seldom do I ever find WV to be wrong when it has to do with poker.
Seems to me that anyone that "has yet to bet" can actually 'raise' to any level (including all-in) assuming it is a No Limit Holdem game.
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hawtshawt420
Rock Star
Silver Level
The half bet rule only applies to Player B. Since player C's bet is "not a real raise" so to speak, the other players still have the options to reraise if they want. It just keeps player B from pretty much string betting and making players A and D call more.
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Right! If Player D calls the bet to 550, and Player A calls or folds, Player B cannot raise again because HIS bet has not beet reopened.
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babegrr
Rising Star
Bronze Level
can you give me a example of half bet rule on a LIMIT poker game? lets say on a 2/4 limit holdem?
can someone pls give me a example of a full bet rule in a 1/2 no limit game? thanks
can someone pls give me a example of a full bet rule in a 1/2 no limit game? thanks
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tony4680
Rock Star
Silver Level
As far as Limit is concerned I don't think the rule applies. If someone makes a raise but can not make a complete raise all other players in the hand must call the full raise amount and a side pot is created for the remaining players. No limit has been explained. Just plug in different numbers to fit the blinds you are curious about. Sounds like your just trying to get that post count up asking the same question 6 different ways. :smile:
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DaMan1313
Enthusiast
Silver Level
No player D is open to any action if he has more then 1000 he can raise to 1000 or more if not his only option is to call go allin or fold
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
There's no such thing as a "half bet rule" in no-limit games (or pot limit games, for that matter). From Robert's Rules of Poker, Section 14 - No Limit and Pot Limit (emphasis added by me):
3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. Example: Player A bets 100 and player B raises to 200. Player C wishing to raise must raise at least 100 more, making the total bet at least 300. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)
4. Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise. Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)
4. Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise. Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)
In your original example Player D hasn't acted at all in the hand, so he's entitled to do whatever he likes - fold, call 550, or raise to any amount between 950 and all his chips (unless he has less than 950, in which case he'd just be all in)
Player A is also entitled to re-raise if he so chooses, because Player B made a legal raise on his initial bet before Player C under-raised all in.
If either Players D or A make a legal raise (ie: to at least 950) then Player B is entitled to reraise too if he likes. If Players D and A either fold or just call the 550 though, then Player B only has the option of calling the extra 50 or folding.
Long story short: there's no such thing as a "half bet rule" in no limit or pot limit games. A bet has to be above the minimum raise to reopen the betting for players that have already acted - if it's less than the minimum, they can only call or fold.
FWIW here's the rule for limit poker (from Roberts Rules Section 3 - General Poker Rules, Betting and Raising):
7. In limit play, an all-in wager of less than half a bet does not reopen the betting for any player who has already acted and is in the pot for all previous bets. A player who has not yet acted (or had the betting reopened to him by another player’s action), facing an all-in wager of less than half a bet, may fold, call, or complete the wager. An all-in wager of a half a bet or more is treated as a full bet, and a player may fold, call, or make a full raise. (An example of a full raise on a $20 betting round is raising a $15 all-in bet to $35.) Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to individually qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise.
TBH I'm not really sure why the rule is different for limit poker (I don't play much limit and I almost never have to deal it), but since the size of the bets is controlled there's a much lesser impact on the game.
