question: Betting rules - Texas

Hello, I have a question about the poker rules of betting in Texas No Limit. I hope someone doesn't mind answering for me.

4 players

Small Blind (100)
Big Blind (200)
Player 4
Dealer

Preflop:
Player 4 folds
Dealer calls 200
Small Blind goes all in for 350
Big Blind calls 350

Can the dealer raise higher than 350?

I'm thinking he can't, because he already called the 200, and the only person who raised is the small blind, but the small blind has no more chips.

Can someone tell me the rules?

Thx!

Wow.....Not 100 % But... I tend to agree with you on you assumption that having called one may only call an all in from one's position BB can raise I believe.

no I don't think so. The dealer had his opportunity to raise the pot and since a player behind him has not raised the minimum raise (which would be to 400) as he is allin to 350, the dealer can only fold/call. the BB blind can raise however, as he is to act behind the SB, and therefore has not acted yet. He must have the opportunity to raise the hand preflop.

I believe the dealer can raise. The fact that the sb has no chips is irrelevant.

he absolutely can raise as much as he wants up to the amount the big blind has. When he called, he was agreeing to put in the BB. When someone behind him raises, the dealer has the option to try and put the BB all in as well.

^^^^ I cant see any reason why he cant raise

Pretty sure he can't raise, I've had it happen a few times on Stars where a situation like this happened and there's no "Raise" button, just a call/fold button after the all in happens.

The real question is whether or not the 150 raise by small blind has "reopened" the pot. Since the raise was less than the minimum raise, I believe it has not reopened the pot.

Now if the BB were to raise the pot (perhaps attempting to isolate the all in), then the dealer would certainly be able to re-raise.

And fyi... this really isn't cut and dry. I've seen the argument many times in live situation as to whether or not a certain raise has "reopened" the pot. And in those situations, it comes down to the opinion of the dealer or floor manager.

TDA Rule 10:

If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted.

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In this case, a full raise is 200 and the small blind has shoved for only 150 more. So the button can either fold or call, but he can't raise.

This rule isn't universal though. Some places will play that an all-in bet that's at least 50% of a full raise reopens the betting to players that have already acted (that was actually my gut call on this before I went and looked the rule up). If that was the rule being played then the small blind's shove is more than 50% of a full raise and the betting would be reopened.

Down here in Texas, where it all started, button can only call.

The correct answer to this is:
1.

TRB1965 said:

The real question is whether or not the 150 raise by small blind has "reopened" the pot. Since the raise was less than the minimum raise, I believe it has not reopened the pot.

Now if the BB were to raise the pot (perhaps attempting to isolate the all in), then the dealer would certainly be able to re-raise.

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OzExorcist said:

TDA Rule 10:
In this case, a full raise is 200 and the small blind has shoved for only 150 more. So the button can either fold or call, but he can't raise.

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Any other commentary about it being handled differently for NL (where something less than a full raise reopens the pot) is an exception by a house/organizer that doesn't actually know the correct rule or had to make a ruling for some reason. I've seen it argued by many people before, but the 50% rule only applies to Limit poker. So unless there is some valid reason or ruling as to why something less that a full raise would reopen the pot, there is no reason to perpetuate that exception especially in a home game where people constantly play by the wrong rules for no reason.

Additionally, from the NL/PL section of Robert's Rules of Poker (which fully supports the TDA rule):
3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. Example: Player A bets 100 and player B raises to 200. Player C wishing to raise must raise at least 100 more, making the total bet at least 300. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

wow, cool info. I would never have guessed that you couldn't raise after a bet.

thanks all. the info was helpful. we decided to just have a house rule that if the all in ends up raising 100% of the big blind, then raising is re-opened.

i never knew there were multiple ways of doing this and it might be different at different places. apprecaite everyone who contributed to this thread!