re: Poker & Question about flopping the nuts
Originally Posted by dwolfg
I know that. I was just pointing out in that particular situation, your only hope of getting any stacks is if someone gets frustrated and decides to take a stand.
I changed the word value to stacks because I think you are confusing what value is.
Value is always dictated by your opponents hand and tendencies. Regardless of what you hold, the amount that you win is dictated by how much your opponent is wiling to put into the pot.
As we can remove most of his TPTK hands, we are against a range of underpairs and a few TPGK. Forget about 2pair and sets.. if he has 2 pair or sets he will be trying to get us to put in money so even if we checked all 3 streets he would be doing our betting for us.
So this range of TPGK and underpairs, is mainly made up of underpairs.. we hold 2 of the Aces. SO to get value we have to play against his most likely range.. which are underpairs.
So to value means getting them most an underpair will pay.
If you think an under pair calls 3 streets with an ace on the board.. then you should bet 3 streets.
However I think an underpair calls 1-2 streets.
So against only an underpair you could bet checkk bet or check bet bet but not bet bet check because the turn bet implies a river bet and so is more likely to get a fold.
However buy checking the flop, you allow one more care to come.. maybe that puts a FD out there, maybe it connects with a high card, maybe it somehow gives viillian a set or 2 pair.
So by checking the flop you dont lose any value from the villians range but you do allow him to make some additional hands which he didnt have on the flop that might also pay 1-2 streets.
In addition to that he may decide to bluff. He is more likely to bluff after you check than when you bet.
I know what you are saying about a check sometimes being indicative of great strength.. but TBH if thats the case you are cbetting way too much and you are never checking back medium strength hands like AJ.
The problem with betting out when he cant really hold anything is that you lose value because you fold out pretty well everything he could have.