Putting Ranges on Opp. Successfully

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I feel as if one of my biggest weaknesses (of many) in my poker game is my inability to successfully put accurate ranges on my opponents. What I don't understand is that unless you see a showdown, you really can't tell how somebody plays different hands. Personally I usually only take notes if a showdown occurs and someone plays a hand strangely. I play on BetOnline, which I don't believe PokerTracker supports, and only rarely get to a table where I recognize another player. So I guess my question is, am I missing something? Without a pokerstracker and having any stats on somebody, what do people look out for when playing in hoping to narrow the range on a particular opponent in the future. I feel like the tables I play on, people come and go too often to get a sufficient number of hands to get a sold read.
I apologize for the rambling and I hope I made at least a little sense. I'm really just having a very difficult time adding the ability to put a range on an opponent to my extremely limited poker game.
Appreciate any advice, thanks
 
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It's a lot harder without stats because with stats you can assess someone's range pretty much instantly.

It's really about profiling, sort of like detective work, adding pieces to the puzzle. Players can be unique and play different parts of their range unexpectedly, for instance, you may find someone who's mostly a nit but overvalues small suited Aces. But mostly people fall into predictable patterns at low limits:

Loose passives: people who limp a lot and don't raise, never fold their blinds, play bad hands out of position, rarely fold the flop with any draw, never raise without the nuts. Their range will be huge on every street, the good thing is you can just valuebet the crap out of them. Go for 3 streets with 2nd pair and see them call down with A-high/bottom pair.

uber nits: they play like 10/4 and raise JJ+/AK and nothing else, they don't steal, sometimes they call with pocket pairs or AQ. When they limp-call or call from the blinds, they have pocket pairs, so when they start donking pot or check-raising you, they have sets.

etc.
Extremes like this you can figure out without stats. For instance, if I see 2 hands where a guy open-folds then button and then the next hand, it folds to him in the SB and he gives the BB a walk, I will guess he's a nit even with this lolable sample size. But building information has to start somewhere, acting like you have none after witnessing that is pretty indefensible.


It's really important if you don't have stats to pay attention to all showdown hands and also pay attention when not in the hand to try to put them on ranges and see how the hand plays out. Even if there is no showdown you can get a lot of information, i.e. they called 2 pot-sized bets on flop and turn on drawy board and then c/f for 1/2 pot on blank river -- you can pretty much guess they had a draw.
 
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oh btw

I think putting people on ranges is tremendously overrated. It's obviously important and it's crucial to understand the concept of it and it's a super fun lightbulb moment when you actually get it, however.

"Put villain on a range" became this Internet poker meme a few years ago. Having someone's precise range down really isn't important if you can understand and figure out stuff like:

1. Does villain slowplay/trap big hands?
2. Does he play draws aggressively?
3. Does he call flop/fold turn?
4. Does he call flop/call turn/fold river?
5. Can I valuebet my TPNK against this guy?
6. Does he float a lot or does he play fit-or-fold?
7. How often does he 3-bet (that's a range) and does he 3-bet a polarized range, a merged range, or a super narrow unpolarized range?

etc.
 
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Appreciate the response, I think that list of questions are going to help me out a lot.
 
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The task has been infinitely easier since I've used tracking software.
 
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seems to me that you are a tight player. You have to play agressively for some tournaments yourself. Then you will know better what agressive players do.
Take some cheaper tournaments to do this. It's good investment.
 
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seems to me that you are a tight player. You have to play agressively for some tournaments yourself. Then you will know better what agressive players do.
Take some cheaper tournaments to do this. It's good investment.

You seem to be thinking the terms tight and aggresive are intertwined in some way. There is no relationship between tightness and aggressiveness.
 
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