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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
close enough, basically if your job is poker, then you are a poker pro
Tobmeister
Rock Star
Silver Level
true, but someone like Guy Laliberte does not get all of his income from poker, but he would still be considered a pro right? does ability or skill have anything to do with it?
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chink44
Enthusiast
Silver Level
This guy sucks IMO. He gets lucky and plays way too much. Plus, hes a billionaire and doesnt get nearly as much money from poker as he does his company.
diamond_06_06
Rock Star
Silver Level
What the dude above said. Guy Laliberte can hardly be called a pro. He is just an absurdly high rolled ammature. He has been very fortunate to beat 'life' for a huge amount of money, but I don't think he beats poker for much money (if any) at all.
aliengenius
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
rick32
Enthusiast
Silver Level
pros?
how is that the only way ur a pro i think a pro is someone who can win consistently no matter if its ur job or not if i play 4 times a week and make an average of $500 every week playing different people and different games and place in tournys on a regular basis wouldnt that meen i would be a pro where i play?????
how is that the only way ur a pro i think a pro is someone who can win consistently no matter if its ur job or not if i play 4 times a week and make an average of $500 every week playing different people and different games and place in tournys on a regular basis wouldnt that meen i would be a pro where i play?????
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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
hey, I'm a pro!
I think that sums it up, if your as good as AG then your a pro
K_Kahne_Fan
Legend
Silver Level
1. Consistantly Winning
2. Consistantly able to raise the stakes at which you win at
I would think you could be a "pro" @ $.01/$.02 tables, but that's probably not what you are calling a "pro"(?). So consistantly able to win and raise your stakes and continue winning would probably be what would make someone a pro.
I wouldn't think just having poker as your source of income would make you a pro. What if you have a 9to5, but then go to Vegas every weekend and are consistantly winning, and are able to raise the stakes every year or so. Or, you have a 9to5 but you go to 3 or 4 high stakes tournies each year and always place in the $$?
Also, once a pro, always a pro?
2. Consistantly able to raise the stakes at which you win at
I would think you could be a "pro" @ $.01/$.02 tables, but that's probably not what you are calling a "pro"(?). So consistantly able to win and raise your stakes and continue winning would probably be what would make someone a pro.
I wouldn't think just having poker as your source of income would make you a pro. What if you have a 9to5, but then go to Vegas every weekend and are consistantly winning, and are able to raise the stakes every year or so. Or, you have a 9to5 but you go to 3 or 4 high stakes tournies each year and always place in the $$?
Also, once a pro, always a pro?
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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Very interesting, dont think i can answer that
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
By this definition though, the likes of Doyle Brunson and Barry Greenstein aren't pros: they already play in the big game, so they've hit a ceiling and aren't consistently raising the stakes at which they win.
I think it's like a few other people have said: a professional is someone who makes their living playing poker. Note that this is different to someone who plays poker every day but has to regularly borrow money from others to pay their rent.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
If you're consistently making a profit playing poker on the weekends (or online after work, or whatever) then I guess that'd be a good term for it, yeah.
By that definition then, I'm a semi-professional poker dealer
By that definition then, I'm a semi-professional poker dealer
Steveg1976
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Silver Level
pro·fes·sion·al
/prəˈfɛʃ
–adjective 1
following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer.
That sums it up for me. From Dictionary.com
K_Kahne_Fan
Legend
Silver Level
If you've hit a ceiling in the height of stakes... you're probably a pro. If you've hit that ceiling and are consistantly losing... you may not... or no longer be... a "pro".
But, Steve's definition looks good to me.
K_Kahne_Fan
Legend
Silver Level
So, if you have no other job, but are consistantly a losing player... you're a pro?
line 2 contradicts line 1. You have to average out as a winning player in order to make money, which means you would have to be a winning player.
smd173
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
So we can take Mike Matusow off the list of pros then?
Tobmeister
Rock Star
Silver Level
Watch High Stakes Poker series 4, he plays very well on that show. Plus he's not just been invited there because he's rich, GSN know that he's good.
how does this make him not a pro???This is exactly my point, maybe someone can be a pro without getting all of their money from poker.
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DP_Machine
Enthusiast
Silver Level
By that definition then, I'm a semi-professional poker dealer
Same here...but I don't deal in a casino, just at corp events and the occasional home/private game. Does that make me a semi-semi pro dealer?
What if you throw in as part of the definition:
If you win/make enough money playing poker to sustain yourself, devoid of any other forms of income then you're a pro. So if you make enough playing poker and then make more on the side, that would count as being a pro.
JRaD
Rock Star
Silver Level
My qualifications for a pro are a little rougher, I think if someone that makes 80% of their income from poker is a pro, but also cashes in about 75% of the tournies they enter. Like one of my favorite players is PearlJammer just cause it seems like he cashes in everything. Must be nice lol
aliengenius
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
So there are NO poker pros?