Pokertek stock: Anyone into the stock market?

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So, I've recently been delving into the stock market (and doing pretty well, might I add - 7% ROI after 2 weeks - thank you renewable energy stocks).

Anyhow, Pokertek is the company which makes the Poker Pro tables (google them). Essentially, they are the gap between internet poker and live poker. You get the speed of internet play while still facing your opponents like a live card game. A local casino here has the tables, and they've been very profitable for me.

Their stock is a freakin bargain right now, trading under $4/share. They're not profitable yet, with a projected break-even point slated for Q4 of 2009.

I just picked up about 500 shares because I think it will be a great long term investment. As a new generation of internet-raised poker players matures, I think more and more casinos will start adopting these tables, especially as the old-school baby boomer generation starts to die off.

Has anyone here ever played the Poker Pro tables? Do you like them?

Their stock symbol is 'PTEK' if you're interested in doing some research.

My personal projection is that they will be worth $20/share 3 years from now.
 
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i used to play at those tables whenever i'd go to play live (which was often). i still prefer actual cards/chips, but i guess the tables were above my original expectation, esp the speed of play since the slow pace of live poker is easily the worst part of the whole experience.
 
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Actually i am taking a cruise to mexico and they said that this type of table is on the cruise , so I am REALLY looking forward to checking it out. None of the cardrooms here in LA have one. You like them?
 
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I am so diversified in the stock market that I cannot make or lose any money. :|
 
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So, I've recently been delving into the stock market (and doing pretty well, might I add - 7% ROI after 2 weeks - thank you renewable energy stocks).

Anyhow, Pokertek is the company which makes the Poker Pro tables (google them). Essentially, they are the gap between internet poker and live poker. You get the speed of internet play while still facing your opponents like a live card game. A local casino here has the tables, and they've been very profitable for me.

Their stock is a freakin bargain right now, trading under $4/share. They're not profitable yet, with a projected break-even point slated for Q4 of 2009.

I just picked up about 500 shares because I think it will be a great long term investment. As a new generation of internet-raised poker players matures, I think more and more casinos will start adopting these tables, especially as the old-school baby boomer generation starts to die off.

Has anyone here ever played the Poker Pro tables? Do you like them?

Their stock symbol is 'PTEK' if you're interested in doing some research.

My personal projection is that they will be worth $20/share 3 years from now.


As this does sound like a great investment in the future, I would definitely not buy now. That stock is going to most likely dip below $3 in the very near future. If you pick up last Sunday's New York Times, they have a front page article dealing with the horrid downswing the casino industry is having right now. Everyone thought that the industry was safe after staying strong post 9/11 and up until now. With gas prices rising and consumption spending going down, people are spending less at casinos which means casinos are probably going to cut back on their bigger projects. I work in sales for CDW and situations like this are bad for the higher-brink technologies. I completely agree that this stock has potential after our nation gets out of this rut, but right now is not the time to buy low anywhere in the casino industry.
 
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Hey, heres my .10/.25 cents

I apologize for length ahead of time, I tend to be long winded, haha.

I'm an accounting major, and my passion is the markets. I honestly don't like any American stock right now that is dependent on the stability of the American consumer. Less people head to the casino to go play poker when they lost their job.

I personally see heavy inflation in the future, coupled with a severe recession. This would be stagflation, and it is not good.

Keep in mind that you are buying a share of the business, you are not buying the product that they produce. (edit)

Also, when you say that it is cheap at $4 it tells me that you need to do some learning before you plunge into the market. The selling price of a share of stock has zero to do with whether it is cheap or not. Keep in mind that you are buying a part of a business, and without profits, that business is purely speculative. Pay attention not to the share price, but the price to earnings ratio, dividend, financials, conferance calls, annual reports, etc. Pay attention to the growth the company has shown, and whether it is likely to continue. How do they make their money? You would be surprised how often you would be wrong about this with any given company.

As an example:

Google:
533.88/share as I write this
P/E (price per earnings ratio): 36.93

PokerTek:
4.04/share as I write this
P/E: N/A

PokerTek is infinately more expensive than google, not cheaper. Google has earnings, PokerTek does not. They are losing money. Their earnings are also trending downward from 05-07. This is a common error for the lay person.


Also, looking at the balance sheet:


Current Liabilities = 4163

Current assets = 9513
* 4496 cash
* 1873 net receivables
* 2879 inventory
* 265 other current assets


Current liabilities are debts due within a year. Current assets are pretty much cash/short term investments, receivables etc. Things that can be turned into cash fairly easily, and can be used to cover current liabilities. Would it be a good idea for a company to use all of its cash to pay its debts leaving nothing for a rainy day?

Also, that is quite a bit of inventory compared to receivables. Rising inventory can sometimes make things look better than they are depending on the accounting methods used. Like first in, first out (FIFO), Last in, first out (LIFO), etc. By hiding the most recent inventory, which is probably costlier, in inventory, and using first in first out, inventory rises, which brings up assets. This can make things look better than they are. Is this the case? No idea, I'd need to dedicate a few hours to this if you wanted some better analysis.

Bad financial times often lead to excess inventory. Prices are often lowered to clear this extra. Reducing profits, and this company is already losing money.

I just looked at the cash flow statement, and it isn't pretty. Operating cash flow is the cash flow generated/(lost) from the business's ordinary operations. When a company has negative operating cash flow it means they need to rely on financing to pay their debts. You can have positive cash flow, yet be hopelessly in the red by borrowing more than you spend, which increases future debt payments and can lead to that point in Sim City 2000 where you can't raise the taxes enough, or your sims(customers) leave, and you can't borrow any more because the debt payments have become more than your cash.

This company has some cash flow problems it looks like. That is one of the bigger reasons a company becomes insolvent and goes bust. Just like Bear Sterns. They did not have the current cash to pay debts, or to give people their money bag when they headed for the exits.

This company has negative operating cash flow, and it has almost doubled to the negative side for the last 3 financial report years.

Total cash flow from financing, +12,574 in the most recent year
-meaning the borrowed 12,574 more than they paid back, increasing future payments on debt.

In my opinion, investing in this company right now would be like calling mr. nit's UTG's 1mil dollar raise into a 20k pot with 23o preflop. Ya, you could hit trips, but chances are there's a better place to risk your money.


To give you an idea of what my portfolio looks like to capitalize on the collapse of the US financial system:

proshares ultrashort financials (ticker SKF)
-this basically goes up $2, for every $1 the financials that comprise it lose.
-it is leveraged, therefore it is more volatile. higher gains when I'm right, higher losses when I'm wrong.

Shorting the dow, s&p, high p/e (relatively expensive) stocks, etc.
-This is up $4500 in a few months, although I held the short when it was in the negative, and actually shorted more because the rally was bullshit, and those in the know knew this. I don't recommend shorting either, losses are technically unlimited. You wouldn't wanna be unlucky enough to be short a stock during a short squeeze by some hedge funds.

Some put options betting on a drop in the Dow/S&P etc. I predicted 9,000 for the Dow around September as a possible bottom, we're halfway there.
-these are risky, but multiply gains exponentially when you are right
-i don't advise beginners to touch options

However, to give you an idea of what they can do. I'm a poor college kid, so I use a stock simulator for my investing. I've been doing this since I was 7/8, and I am 100% confident in my ability to use real funds, I just don't have them haha.

I bought EMC call options that expired in about a year at $30/contract betting on VMWare, a subsidiary of EMC that was going public. I thought the valuation for vmware could boost the valuation of EMC in the short term, and I also had a feeling not many people had this hypothesis. Within 3 months, my hypothesis was confirmed, and the same contracts were going for $700/share.

Option
$30 ---> $700 (over 2200%)
Stock at the same time
$13 ---> $19 or so

basically, I'm pissed that I wasn't born 10 years earlier, and had some savings to take advantage of this with.

10k would turn into 220K+ =(
 
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I don't know anything about the stock market but if online poker gets banned i bet these tables stock will skyrocket.
 
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I have played on them a few times. It is all they offer on cruise ships. I prefer cards and chips - but the tables are okay and much better than nothing.

The rakes are 10% after the pot gets to about $7 or $8.
 
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I haven't tried it, but they have them (or something similar) at the local casino. Hundreds of players, but nobody on them. I don't think they'll catch on. The horse track near me came out with video horse racing too. Its helping to drive them bankrupt.
 
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I saw one of those tables at the Hard Rock in Tampa last year, its not there anymore. If I'm gonna play live I might as well have chips and a dealer, not a computer.
 
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The awesomestestest thing about playing live poker is the live dealer and players, and of course the chips and cards.

The tables are a cool idea but ive seen pictures/stories of the tables and it wouldnt really sway me from wanting chips =/ even with all the great upsides to it.
 
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