Poker is rigged, why do people still play this game for a living?

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How many of you here who makes consistent profit from it? you aren't going to lose only money, but time. Tell me the reason why we should keep playing poker for living? in the past it's just a gambling game to hang out and having fun, they know even the best player can lose, so they play this game for Fun, until the online poker companies overrate the game by doing massive marketing to attract innocent young players to believe they can make a living from it. Okay, we know some players can make a hell lot of money from it. But what is the proportion compared to the losing players? yet the people so called "winning" players, some of them went broke and going into gambling rehabilitation. the online poker companies sent mislead information such that all players can win. Do we want our younger generation being unproductive, grinding up " dream fortune" in front of their laptop? It is such a shame for online poker ambassador such as Daniel Negreanu to deliver that mislead public message. Remember, online poker companies acts as a "house" at the moment, they offer dream, put the biggest prize of tournament in the first line on the tournament lobby, and hope you keep hoping.
 
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It's like drugs can easily get hooked but hard to jump off. Everyone chooses their own path.
 
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Nobody forces anyone to gamble. Any hobby costs money. I know people who spend over $1k on a 1 or 2 hour trip to shoot at the side of a mountain.

Personally, I've only made money playing poker and have done a lot of good with what I've made. It's the only hobby I know of that pays you back.
 
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Poker is not "rigged."

You do realize that whatever a player loses, another player(s) wins, right? The "house" only collects rake from the total pot, no matter who wins.

Of course players make money playing poker. If you're not, then you haven't put in the effort to improve your game. It's also a long-term game. Depending on who does the study, it's reported that between 10-30% of "serious" online poker players are winning players. The vast majority of recreational players, which you sound like, treat poker like gambling, which is why they lose. Poker is a skill game with an aspect of chance, rather than most casino/gambling games that are virtually all chance with little to no skill aspect. But if you don't put forth the effort to acquire the skill, the distinction is lost so you might as well be playing craps.
 
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Poker is not "rigged."

You do realize that whatever a player loses, another player(s) wins, right? The "house" only collects rake from the total pot, no matter who wins.

Of course players make money playing poker. If you're not, then you haven't put in the effort to improve your game. It's also a long-term game. Depending on who does the study, it's reported that between 10-30% of "serious" online poker players are winning players. The vast majority of recreational players, which you sound like, treat poker like gambling, which is why they lose. Poker is a skill game with an aspect of chance, rather than most casino/gambling games that are virtually all chance with little to no skill aspect. But if you don't put forth the effort to acquire the skill, the distinction is lost so you might as well be playing craps.

:dito: :dito: :dito: Excellent response.

How can poker in general, be rigged?? Did you mean to say "online poker" is rigged?
 
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Nobody forces anyone to gamble. Any hobby costs money. I know people who spend over $1k on a 1 or 2 hour trip to shoot at the side of a mountain.

Personally, I've only made money playing poker and have done a lot of good with what I've made. It's the only hobby I know of that pays you back.

true that,
most hobbies cost, and can cost lots
so recreational playing is just that...for fun
playing for a living is entirely different, Im sure most members here dont use poker as their job, but do play daily,
and its nice to think you can go from 0 to 1 million $$

1 of my other hobbies is gold panning- tho its cost me more than Ive made too (tech. Ive made 0 lol)...
but there is hope for riches as well:)
 
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How many of you here who makes consistent profit from it? you aren't going to lose only money, but time. Tell me the reason why we should keep playing poker for living? in the past it's just a gambling game to hang out and having fun, they know even the best player can lose, so they play this game for Fun, until the online poker companies overrate the game by doing massive marketing to attract innocent young players to believe they can make a living from it. Okay, we know some players can make a hell lot of money from it. But what is the proportion compared to the losing players? yet the people so called "winning" players, some of them went broke and going into gambling rehabilitation. the online poker companies sent mislead information such that all players can win. Do we want our younger generation being unproductive, grinding up " dream fortune" in front of their laptop? It is such a shame for online poker ambassador such as Daniel Negreanu to deliver that mislead public message. Remember, online poker companies acts as a "house" at the moment, they offer dream, put the biggest prize of tournament in the first line on the tournament lobby, and hope you keep hoping.

I understand your point because I play for recreation. I have no interest in doing this for a living, Making money sounds fun, but you don't want to risk it all. As far as going broke, this can be prevented by playing within your means, which many players tend to ignore; along with this notion you never risk what you can't afford to lose per the cardinal rule of gambling. I hate grinding, and I hate the thought of losing, but I understand why so many people bet out big with air, to protect themselves from going broke, because of the unlikelihood of the player having something big. Sometimes it's the irrational side that keeps us going in a certain pot because we want to be Moneymaker, Helmuth, Chan, Cada, Heinz, or Merson (sorry if the names are butchered). Bottomline there is a lack of content and leaving well enough alone.
 
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To be clear, you can be a recreational player and still make good money at poker. Profit from poker is not limited to professional poker players (and not all professionals are very profitable).

I have a full time job that pays very well and I enjoy, I'd never consider leaving it to be a full-time professional poker player. That said, I've cashed out well over 5 figures in online poker winnings against a lifetime investment of maybe 1-1.5K or so.
 
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How many of you here who makes consistent profit from it? you aren't going to lose only money, but time. Tell me the reason why we should keep playing poker for living? in the past it's just a gambling game to hang out and having fun, they know even the best player can lose, so they play this game for Fun, until the online poker companies overrate the game by doing massive marketing to attract innocent young players to believe they can make a living from it. Okay, we know some players can make a hell lot of money from it. But what is the proportion compared to the losing players? yet the people so called "winning" players, some of them went broke and going into gambling rehabilitation. the online poker companies sent mislead information such that all players can win. Do we want our younger generation being unproductive, grinding up " dream fortune" in front of their laptop? It is such a shame for online poker ambassador such as Daniel Negreanu to deliver that mislead public message. Remember, online poker companies acts as a "house" at the moment, they offer dream, put the biggest prize of tournament in the first line on the tournament lobby, and hope you keep hoping.

"in b4 merge..."

I play music for a living. Have for a long time. I did a small, humorous stint as a "poker pro", lasted about 1 1/2 years. I was still playing music and didnt pay bills with poker.

So I played music - which I am good at.

Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful??

Innocent young people were attracted to the music lifestyle, but many were not ready to accept what it takes to live like this, in a professional sense.

Most lost money. The advertising industry was borderline irresponsible for the way they marketed the music industry. EVERYONE thought they could play a bit of this or that (Guitar, Sax, Piano, Sing....w/e) and be able to make a great living, like, be a STAR..... Some players went broke..... The industry made players believe they could be the next star.................

It was always beyond my understanding why ANYONE who simply owned a musical instrument and played could not lead a luxurious lifestyle................

Even if they were only mediocre.....

OP, Did I get it right????
 
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To be clear, you can be a recreational player and still make good money at poker. Profit from poker is not limited to professional poker players (and not all professionals are very profitable).

I have a full time job that pays very well and I enjoy, I'd never consider leaving it to be a full-time professional poker player. That said, I've cashed out well over 5 figures in online poker winnings against a lifetime investment of maybe 1-1.5K or so.

That's a good point. It takes a combination of skill and luck in my experience so while the original poster was being truthful according to his experience, you're also being truthful according to yours. The problem is in the balance of these two ideas. As previously stated, leaving well enough alone is not enough for some poker players; more or less if I leave the tables with the same amount of money I brought with me, or even $10 more, I feel like a winner. If I leave with a huge win, awesome; if not, then I only risked what I brought with me usually 200. either way, it's up to the player to decide with what risk/reward ratio they're comfortable.
 
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Yeah! Poker is rigged! I lost money because of how rigged poker is! I'm tired of all this damn poker rigging all over the place!

Actually I don't think poker is rigged in the slightest, I believe poker has variance and swings involved but it isn't rigged.

Right now I'm a losing player but that's why I'm here, to improve my gameplay and fix the leaks I have to become mildly profitable at some point.

If you're losing money playing poker maybe you should try to address the issues with your gameplay before throwing out a blanket statement like "poker is rigged", I assure you some players on here are profitable. Nobody is forcing you to play poker and you can stop at any point if you truly believe it's rigged.
 
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Luck and Skill....Most BAD players lose because of there BAD play. Not understanding: position, bankroll management, push fold spots, blind levels, ranking structures, bet sizing ect ect ect. It takes a lot of time and dedication to move up in this very complex game. Is it possible that there are people in the online poker community that cheat...yes and if you read up on some of the history of some of the big poker rooms you will see that no one is hiding that information. That is way you see these big poker rooms pay so much money for top of the line security software, so they can limit the amount of cheating players. But to say the company is rigging the games to increase profit is highly unlikely.
 
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What I mean by "Poker is rigged" is that no wonder how good you are, you still can lose, and it is like being rigged, online or live. Actually, it is my sarcasm to the statement that poker is game of skill, not luck, and I quite amazed there are people who deny that "inconvenient truth". Some people also compare it to chess, which I could say nonsense and invalid. Chess does not involve your "own" money. If you lose, just lose, maybe you spend money to train your skill, or to transport, but in poker u also spend money to train your skill, moreover, you "bet" money on table. Also, in chess, it is clear that you know exactly the outcome, no third party (In poker, community cards is the third party), only you and your opponent, if you make bad decision, you will lose definitely. But in poker, we know some players made "bad" decision and yet still can win (matt Affleck vs Duhamel in wsop), and many more. So, claiming poker is good for living for everybody is like you support online poker companies to make more money and become richer.
 
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The element of luck in MTT's is huge and the variance is so high that a lifetime is not enough to cover it.

However I don't believe luck plays a vital part in cash games in the long run. If bad players never won big pots in poker then it wouldn't even be half as popular a game worldwide as it is. Heck it wouldn't even be 10% of what it is.

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"in b4 merge..."

I play music for a living. Have for a long time. I did a small, humorous stint as a "poker pro", lasted about 1 1/2 years. I was still playing music and didnt pay bills with poker.

So I played music - which I am good at.

Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful??

Innocent young people were attracted to the music lifestyle, but many were not ready to accept what it takes to live like this, in a professional sense.

Most lost money. The advertising industry was borderline irresponsible for the way they marketed the music industry. EVERYONE thought they could play a bit of this or that (Guitar, Sax, Piano, Sing....w/e) and be able to make a great living, like, be a STAR..... Some players went broke..... The industry made players believe they could be the next star.................

It was always beyond my understanding why ANYONE who simply owned a musical instrument and played could not lead a luxurious lifestyle................

Even if they were only mediocre.....

OP, Did I get it right????

Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful?? yes you don't have, but in poker, you can be in minus, while it would never be in music, why u correlate things as nonsense as comparing poker to chess? poker is gambling, so u should compare it with blackjack, for instance. can u handle the outcome of community cards? can u? wake up.
 
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Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful?? yes you don't have, but in poker, you can be in minus, while it would never be in music, why u correlate things as nonsense as comparing poker to chess? poker is gambling, so u should compare it with blackjack, for instance. can u handle the outcome of community cards? can u? wake up.

Lol. I am pretty sure if you are serious about anything and botch it up you are going to be negative, not just poker. Some example, you tried hard making it in the music industry, spent like all your money, quit your job, now no record deal, no income, and out if not about to be out of money. Here is another example, you want to own a restraunt, starts out nice, less then 5 years later you are negative 6 figures. To say people dont lose money at other oppurtunities they persue is a lie. Almost everything in life is a gamble and has a risk-reward factor, not just poker geez.
 
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Yea because nothing else you ever do for a hobby will ever cost you a dime. Chess tournaments are free and your travel and expenses are 100 % covered by... oh wait. And you don't need coaching to be good - right.

Being a musician is a no brainer - you will never lose a dime traveling all over the country playing for next to nothing while you try to establish yourself... oh wait. And studio time is free - equipment cost nothing.

Poker is the only hobby with expense and cost involved. Brilliant deduction. :)
 
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Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful?? yes you don't have, but in poker, you can be in minus, while it would never be in music, why u correlate things as nonsense as comparing poker to chess? poker is gambling, so u should compare it with blackjack, for instance. can u handle the outcome of community cards? can u? wake up.


*sigh*

You miss the point entirely. But I can explain it in terms even a child should understand..........

A fact you probably dont know is the ratio of pro musicians who make it and the ones who dont. Although the numbers are not exactly the same, it is a reasonable comparison to poker pros. Many try, few make it. The same way in the music biz. But if you read the adverts of guitars, private music schools, singing teachers etc: it fits the comment you made: "online poker companies overrate the game by doing massive marketing to attract innocent young players to believe they can make a living from it". ANY INDUSTRY THAT CAN EXPLOIT THE "ADVANTAGES" IN ADVERTISING TO NAIVE CUSTOMERS TO PROMOTE SALES, WILL DO JUST THAT. So who needs to wake up here?

My comparison was just to point out that, in any biz like music, poker, etc.... where you dont have a 9 to 5 and all that, there is a large element of risk, and no one is "entitled" to make it. Most dont. So your advice is to just realize we are all destined to lose.......... wow.

There are obvious differences as well, but, I guess I wont explain more, since you seem to enjoy "knowing" and making somewhat insulting replies to people who dont agree with you. As well as totally missing the point of my post.

As far as problem gamblers and rehab, well, have you ever heard of alcohol? Some people can handle it, some cant. A problem gambler is not the fault of the game. Really. "Wake up" comes to mind..... Addiction exists.


You were the one who used the word rigged. And that pretty much says it all.
 
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Lol. I am pretty sure if you are serious about anything and botch it up you are going to be negative, not just poker. Some example, you tried hard making it in the music industry, spent like all your money, quit your job, now no record deal, no income, and out if not about to be out of money. Here is another example, you want to own a restraunt, starts out nice, less then 5 years later you are negative 6 figures. To say people dont lose money at other oppurtunities they persue is a lie. Almost everything in life is a gamble and has a risk-reward factor, not just poker geez.

Thank you very much for this. You made my point much better than I did.
 
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Being a musician is a no brainer - you will never lose a dime traveling all over the country playing for next to nothing while you try to establish yourself... oh wait. And studio time is free - equipment cost nothing.

Just had to comment on this bit. One very ironic trait in the music biz is, when you make it, are famous and have more cash than a semi can carry, all of a sudden you are getting most stuff for free.


/: derail :)
 
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I make consistent profit and I'm sure there are a few others on the forum who do too. You don't have to be playing for a living to make consistent profit at the game. I don't want to play for a living at the moment and don't think I'd ever want to, even if I could unless it was really worth it. There is so much stress involved for people who play for a living and being dependant on monies each month from playing a game I love would take the fun out of it.

I wouldn't tell you to try and make it for a living, I'd imagine you can't, I get the sense from your post you sound like you're bitter towards poker because you have tried to make consistent profit, maybe even tried doing it for a living and have failed because you simply didn't put in any hours of real work into improving your game.

Basically, anyone even in today's game can make a living from poker IF they put in the work, most do not though so they lose money. Daniel doesn't actually state or try put a message across that it's easy and should be done by everyone. The fact is, most are having fun whilst losing money and their game is bad which is why the games can be beaten long term and the small portion of people can make their living from the game.


Lastly, poker isn't rigged. Losing/bad players claim it to be rigged for obvious reasons because they don't want to admit they suck and refuse to put in work to improve their game so instead of saying they failed in their attempt they would rather claim it's rigged.
 
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Unfortunately online poker IS rigged. It is rigged not by the poker room (and anyway happened: UB and others, FTP in a sense, lots of retards rooms).
Online poker is rigged by his own users: see bots, see colluders, see multi-accounter, see ghoster, see softplayers.
Playing for a living is an hard job. It is an hard job itself and it is harder considering all the scams exist online-
Where monies are, scam settle. And this is incontrovertible. Iam afraid to say...

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Fortunately online poker ISNT rigged. It is rigged not by the poker room (and anyway happened: UB and others, FTP in a sense, lots of retards rooms).
Online poker is rigged by his own users: see bots, see colluders, see multi-accounter, see ghoster, see softplayers.
Playing for a living is an hard job. It is an hard job itself and it is harder considering all the scams exist online-
Where monies are, scam settle. And this is incontrovertible. Iam afraid to say...

:musicus:


FYP.

Yeah, agree..players out there collude and try cheat others out of money but this happens live swell as online but online poker isn't rigged.
 
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I make consistent profit and I'm sure there are a few others on the forum who do too. You don't have to be playing for a living to make consistent profit at the game. I don't want to play for a living at the moment and don't think I'd ever want to, even if I could unless it was really worth it. There is so much stress involved for people who play for a living and being dependant on monies each month from playing a game I love would take the fun out of it.

I wouldn't tell you to try and make it for a living, I'd imagine you can't, I get the sense from your post you sound like you're bitter towards poker because you have tried to make consistent profit, maybe even tried doing it for a living and have failed because you simply didn't put in any hours of real work into improving your game.

Basically, anyone even in today's game can make a living from poker IF they put in the work, most do not though so they lose money. Daniel doesn't actually state or try put a message across that it's easy and should be done by everyone. The fact is, most are having fun whilst losing money and their game is bad which is why the games can be beaten long term and the small portion of people can make their living from the game.


Lastly, poker isn't rigged. Losing/bad players claim it to be rigged for obvious reasons because they don't want to admit they suck and refuse to put in work to improve their game so instead of saying they failed in their attempt they would rather claim it's rigged.

Nah you're just really lucky ;)
 
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