Originally Posted by Pokah Man
I would still feel better with one deck - shuffle - deal hole cards - flop/turn/river comes from original shuffle - would that be impossible to do or something? I actually emailed Poker Stars and asked the method they use - the email they sent back said that Poker Stars does the(1 shuffle) method - they did say that other Poker Sites use that shuffle/shuffle/shuffle/shuffle scenario - maybe some people have the shuffle/shuffle/shuffle method figured out and know when to click/click/click and catch that miracle 1/2/3/4 outter when needed.
Why would you feel better? That way is more prone to hacking, not that pokerstars can be hacked. The point is, why do the methods matter, the deck should be treated like a black box by you. Does it matter if the cards are scattered and a dog picks one, you get to pick one from all of them facedown, or your opponent gets to do that? As long as each card has an equal probability of coming up next, who cares when the computer determines it? It's a black box until it comes up from your point of view. Anyone who has a problem with the continuous shuffle IMO doesn't understand the concept of random numbers or even playing poker in general. The only difference is that the RNG is run at a different time on pokerstars and the card that will come up in the future is stored on a computer somewhere. What's the difference to you whether the card is picked randomly on the turn or randomly preflop and stored somewhere to be retrieved on the term. From your point of view, every card has an equal chance of coming until it comes face up.
Also, the click/click/click thing is just silly. The RNG uses:
1. arithmetic, this is basically how most basic RNGs work. They are sufficiently random but anyone who gets a hold of the algorithm can sometimes figure out the seed and start predicting the numbers. Note that this takes someone more experienced in computers and how RNGs work than pretty much every casual online poker player.
2. Atmospheric Entropy. This is truly random from our POV. Basically this may be able to be predictable if we truly had all information about the universe. This concept is similar to the concept that we may be able to determine the weather in a year if we knew and could simulate everything. Note that this would include births and wing flaps of birds, and other such things that we cannot simulate with the current knowledge even if we had a complex enough computer and someone who got data on literally everything in the universe
3. User input. Unless you know the algorithm they use (ie they could use mouse coordinates, they could use number of clicks, they could use some combination, assigning values to keys and clicks and doing arithmetic on them, or any number of things) you wouldn't even be able to predict the card unless you knew the movement of all the other user's mice, clicks, and key presses as well. I'm pretty sure this also takes into account actions of people not even at your table, so it's possible that mouse click just dealt the royal flush to the winner of the Sunday Millions while you're sitting playing a 1c/2c game.
In short, if you think anyone can deal themselves a better hand by clicking a few times, you're an idiot. Of course that click could have given him aces instead of queens against your kings, but it also could have given him queens instead of aces. You don't know, it's RANDOM!