Originally Posted by Grossberger
I both agree and disagree with JQ.
Agree you want to play the weaker players as they are gonna play an ace to the end or chase the draws to many times.
Disagree I like playing players that when I throw out a value bet on the river with nothing they will fold a pair. I tend to have much more success in tournaments against better players than weaker players same with cash games when I do make a profit in a cash game its because I was playing with good players.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the term "value bet" means you have something and you want
someone to call you with a worse hand. "Value bet with nothing" is a contradiction. If you have nothing, it's a bluff. If you have something, it's a value bet. Did you mean to say "a bluff
In any case, you've basically described the players you like to play against as Nits, not necessarily "good" players. A good player could make a good read on you and call your river bluff with a pair. A "nit" doesn't have the talent or guts to do that.
Originally Posted by juiceeQ
You know, you have a good point here, and I can actually see where Herbish is coming from also. It would be somewhat of an advantage to know that you are going up against better players, sit back and watch the action, and make an image for yourself. Novices aren't going to be paying attention to the finer details.
Dunno about this. If you are playing "better players", that usually means they can beat you and take your money. So to avoid losing your shirt, you have to either tighten up to nittyness or avoid them altogether. I don't think you can learn much doing either.
I think the best way to learn from the play of better players is to sweat them (live or online) or watch a video of them playing a whole session. It's tough to learn from them while playing against them when you don't know what they have most of the time.